WTF! They guy confessed and there was DNA of the accused was on victim's neck and finger nails.
Hold out jurors said sometimes confession is not enough. Sometimes DNA not enough.
How stupid! Confession + DNA is not enough?!!! I think the hold out jurors are being a bit dishonest.
I also think the judge was a bit quick in declaring a mistrial. Should have kept them deliberating longer.
This is nuts!
No DNA under fingernails., cops lied about that.
They picked him up on a hunch months later after which he gave a voluntary DNA sample then decided to confess to the crime. Is that how murder investigations usually work? If so that one really fell into their lap. Or they were facing extreme pressure because a woman jogger was brutalized and murdered while out for a jog and the community was demanding justice and restoration of safety.
The level of resolution the jury sees is orders of magnitude higher than we can possibly have from a news article at 30,000 feet. Maybe the quality of the dna sample taken from the victim wasn't as consistent with the circumstances, while it still matched him. Maybe the confession happened at the end of a 13 hour video recording with one man sitting in a chair across from 2 and 3 interrogators at a time working in shifts until they finally got something they could call a confession. Jurors nowadays are well aware that there are many real life examples of this type of dishonest police work happening. And if it all wasn't on the up and up, why would you expect a jury to put a man away for life? It is innocent until proven guilty. Confession + DNA is normally an airtight case, but clearly there was something very, very loose about it for not one, but two jurors to be dubious of the proceedings of the investigation. But you, no, that article could have been two pictures and three words and you'd have come to the same conclusion - pretty girl, black male, confession and DNA.
hobblejogger wrote:
They picked him up on a hunch months later after which he gave a voluntary DNA sample then decided to confess to the crime. Is that how murder investigations usually work? If so that one really fell into their lap. Or they were facing extreme pressure because a woman jogger was brutalized and murdered while out for a jog and the community was demanding justice and restoration of safety.
The level of resolution the jury sees is orders of magnitude higher than we can possibly have from a news article at 30,000 feet. Maybe the quality of the dna sample taken from the victim wasn't as consistent with the circumstances, while it still matched him. Maybe the confession happened at the end of a 13 hour video recording with one man sitting in a chair across from 2 and 3 interrogators at a time working in shifts until they finally got something they could call a confession. Jurors nowadays are well aware that there are many real life examples of this type of dishonest police work happening. And if it all wasn't on the up and up, why would you expect a jury to put a man away for life? It is innocent until proven guilty. Confession + DNA is normally an airtight case, but clearly there was something very, very loose about it for not one, but two jurors to be dubious of the proceedings of the investigation. But you, no, that article could have been two pictures and three words and you'd have come to the same conclusion - pretty girl, black male, confession and DNA.
You make a lot of assumptions. Too bad they are all wrong. Interrogation was 4 hours. OMG! 4 hours in a windowless room, that's as long as two whole movies. Yeah, it's normal to confess to murder after 4 hours. Pa - lease!
His DNA was on her neck where he strangled her. It was a match. Expert DNA witness said like 1 in 4 "earth populations" match. The defense claimed it got on her some other way, he was in the park before and left his DNA there or something.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/nyregion/karina-vetrano-murder-chanel-lewis.htmlI made one assumption, not many, and that is that there was clearly something wrong with the case to hang two jurors. You see "match" and that's all you need to know about the field of forensic science particularly dna sampling and testing. I didn't even challenge that a match was made.
Four hours is a long time without a lawyer, I mean public defendant, and police are well aware of the history of coerced confessions that they should be careful with how they proceed given the high priority of the case. It's very possible they said they had a match and pressured him to make a deal or spend the rest of your life in prison. They are legally allowed to do that in many states but it is also a very scrutinized practice these days. Am I sitting here saying with certainty that this exact circumstance is what lead the juror to deadlock? NO. I'm simply stating that there was obviously something, and you are getting it from a secondary MSM source. The only primary source is sitting within the jury, which is kind of my whole point. We have to trust the jury of your peers and the decisions they reach because it is what the foundation of our justice system is laid upon.
hobblejogger wrote:
They picked him up on a hunch months later after which he gave a voluntary DNA sample then decided to confess to the crime. Is that how murder investigations usually work? If so that one really fell into their lap. Or they were facing extreme pressure because a woman jogger was brutalized and murdered while out for a jog and the community was demanding justice and restoration of safety.
The level of resolution the jury sees is orders of magnitude higher than we can possibly have from a news article at 30,000 feet. Maybe the quality of the dna sample taken from the victim wasn't as consistent with the circumstances, while it still matched him. Maybe the confession happened at the end of a 13 hour video recording with one man sitting in a chair across from 2 and 3 interrogators at a time working in shifts until they finally got something they could call a confession. Jurors nowadays are well aware that there are many real life examples of this type of dishonest police work happening. And if it all wasn't on the up and up, why would you expect a jury to put a man away for life? It is innocent until proven guilty. Confession + DNA is normally an airtight case, but clearly there was something very, very loose about it for not one, but two jurors to be dubious of the proceedings of the investigation. But you, no, that article could have been two pictures and three words and you'd have come to the same conclusion - pretty girl, black male, confession and DNA.
You almost had it! You lay out a very good case for the jury to be undecided then destroy all the credibility you built with that last sentence. Why?
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon