9:45 for 2 miles is a hobby jogger?

2000 HS guys and even a 16 year old girl ran that so yes, that is the definition. Top HS guys would give a good shot at lapping someone running 9:45.

Kid, 9:45 2 mile pace (~4:52/mile) is practically hobby jogger pace for the 1/2 marathon! Get real. This site is no joke. It is Letsrun.com and should be taken seriously.

World class - 2:07 marathon (or equivalent) or under

National class - 2:14 is marginal, and it's more like 2:13

Women slower than 2:24 need not apply.

2000 high schoolers in a nation of 300 million in a world of 8 billion would be considered "hobby" level?

Your math is goofy. 2000 HS in nation of 300 million. There are tens of thousands of US adults, including women, who can do it. There are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the world who can do it. I like to do woodworking and stamp collecting. Those are hobbies and yet there are even smaller percentages than you cited. You obviously don't understand what a hobby is. There are few elite or professional runners so all of the rest are doing it as a hobby.

There are NOT tens of thousands of adults in the United States who can do it and you know that.

Seems like all of the former D3 guys here believe that there are that many current D3 guys who can do it. There may be tens of thousands if there are 2000 HS guys. Most of the HS guys would be seniors and Juniors so push that population forward for twenty years and add all of those college and professional women who can run low 16s, and yes we have it.

I can't run 9:45 anymore but could do it at 40 with a wife, children, and a job. It was definitely only a hobby so I was a hobby jogger. Sorry to disappoint you weekend warriors who can run 15:30 in the 5k and you take yourself too seriously. If you can;t break 9 minutes in the 2 mile, no question that it is just a hobby.

Frank Short wrote:

Someone stated that a 9:45 2 mile is a hobby jogger. I'll bite on that one.

Note what you consider hobby jogging.

If a high school lad is in the 9:45 to 10:10 two mile range, he is not going to have a NCAA D1 coach promising a bag of cash, a luxury condo and a $100,000 auto; an athlete in that range is no hobby jogger. Three notable runners who were in that range in high school: Dick Beardsley, Frank Shorter and Steve Holman.

broader analysis wrote:

Three notable runners who were in that range in high school: Dick Beardsley, Frank Shorter and Steve Holman.

No Olympic medals, 1 gold and 1 SILVER, no Olympic medals.

Obviously running was just a hobby for these three. I mean, seriously, a silver?

Unless you have a shot at the WR, you are a hobby jogger.

Hobby Jogger Go Away wrote:

2000 HS guys and even a 16 year old girl ran that so yes, that is the definition. Top HS guys would give a good shot at lapping someone running 9:45.

I don't know where you get your data but Adam Walker was ranked #1000 in USA Milesplit.com statistics

last spring. No way does any list make it to 2000 kids within a 15 second margin!

Hopefully there is a lot of sarcasm on this thread.

I have known many kids who have made it to their state meets who

never ran 9:45. By the way you can add 2 seconds to those 3200 times to get the

2 mile conversion.

"I ran 4:30 for the mile in high school but everyone ran that."

Frank Shorter (no relation to myself)

Frank Short wrote:

Hopefully there is a lot of sarcasm on this thread.

I have known many kids who have made it to their state meets who

never ran 9:45. By the way you can add 2 seconds to those 3200 times to get the

2 mile conversion.

"I ran 4:30 for the mile in high school but everyone ran that."

Frank Shorter (no relation to myself)

3.7 seconds

Whether you cover 1 mile in 9:45 or 2 miles in 9:45 ... it’s still a hobby and you aren’t elite. Much, much slower than elite actually. If you get two people who run every day and one of them runs at 5:00 pace and the other runs at 10:00 pace, the rest of the non-running neighbours are going to think of them both as runners. You get no extra cred than the 5 hour marathon joe. And why should you? That “joe” that everybody on letsrun is trying hard too but on amples less talent - to you, a 5 hour marathon is a walk - to them, they’re pounding their legs painfully at 160bpm for 5 hours. Output does not equal effort level. Just the same way you and an elite guy could be putting in the same level of effort to run an 8:35 2 mile vs a 9:59 2 mile, that elite guy just has more potential to work with. Not everybody can beat the world, tough fact.

I know lots of snobby 15-16 minute guys who like to look down on joes and think they are sub elite (whatever that means these days) but realistically, they’re just not enough. There’s no difference between you and the next untalented yet passionate guy putting in 90 mpw to break 19. Because that’s how the true elites look at you. Compared to the genpop, 15 minutes is probably considered just as “sub elite” as 19 minutes. People just do not care. To them, 15 minutes is fast, and also to them, 19 minutes is fast - it’s in the same catorgory in most people’s opinion even though 15 vs 19 is worlds of difference to people like us on letsrun. But nobody cares apart from us, that’s a fact. You aren’t truly balling unless you’re sub 13:30 and even if you do reach that level, there’s still people faster than you and people who have run WAY faster.

The only reason anybody would get offended at being called a hobby jogger is because they’re an elitist. I suspect the psychology behind a lot of sub ten 2 mile guys here is “I feel great about myself because I’m super fast compared to average so I’m gonna smugly look down on people slower than me because my running times are what I base my self worth on” but as soon as somebody faster than them takes that approach with them, they take it personally and can’t handle it and get upset. It’s narcissism. Yes, you are a hobby jogger. A hobbyjogger who tries hard but still a hobbyjogger. I repeat: YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE GUY WHO RUNS 9:45 FOR ONE MILE. You just train different. That’s it... that’s the only difference. That 9:45 miler still gets praise and reward off his/her friends and familes for doing what they do. Just the same way y’all probably do. But the media ain’t prasing you, and that’s a fact - unless you’re on TV or a good bankroll because of your training... it’s a hobby. End of story.

There’s an app for that now. Hobbyjogger for iOS.

This is why you are slow. Hard work = results. If you don't understand that, you really won't get anywhere in life, period. Oh the guy making 100k is more talented, oof, well, I guess i make 20k a year because sh*tty genetics.

stop making excuses for yourself and try harder

Lmfao you know nothing about my times

I’m just saying it as it is - if people don’t like being told the truth then tough

Can LRC make a standard for what is hobby jogger and what isn't? For example what if we said that anything over 75 VDOT could be considered non-hobby jogger?