How bad could it be?
How bad could it be?
I believe it's a parking issue just as much as it's a course/race issue. Almost all of the parking at Bowdoin is on grass, with a foot of fresh snow falling tonight, I think the park authorities acknowledged they just couldn't host the event in that situation.
apparently New York is getting a nasty storm as we speak https://weather.com/
You heard it from the Hounddog . Federation meet is kaput. Top 7 public schools from the State meet passed in the Federations. Race won’t be run next year.
Many coaches would like one state meet where they combined a NY state championship with NXR. The current schedule with NYSPHSAA, AIS, CHSAA, PSAL having their own meets over two weekends, then Feds, then NXR makes no sense and has caused the Fed meet to lose its standing. Most coaches I speak with are fed up (literally-sorry I had to). Bring everyone into NYSPHSAA like track. We could figure out a fair format. The problem is there is no organized communication or unity among the coaches. We all just complain on the message boards.
This is butt-eating absurd.
It was not a parking issue...not at all. A number of years ago at NXR it snowed 8” Fri night...the parking field was a mess...the park did not care.
NYS will never combine with NXR....NYS is not beholden to Nike or anyone.
Hounddogharrier wrote:
You heard it from the Hounddog . Federation meet is kaput. Top 7 public schools from the State meet passed in the Federations. Race won’t be run next year.
I hope they don't get rid of it. It's still an opportunity for kids to compete for a championship, even if other teams opt out. As long as the field size is full and the meet makes money, who cares who skips?
so as I am a non New Yorker educate me, is not Saratoga Springs a public school and did they not win class A and were they not going to attend?
I live in New York, most schools in my area had a snow day today. It’s like February snow, not November snow.
SS was a going to attend....they are a public school....many NYS schools and individuals who have a chance to qualify for NXN choose to sit the Federation meet out. It is optional.
Many states ( NJ I am told ) make it mandatory to attend their version of the NY Federation meet.
Can someone please explain the whole post-season system of NY cross country? I thought Feds was the equivalent of the state meet in other states? But now it sounds like lots of people skip it? I think you have section or region meets to get to state? Thanks in advance!
Federations is a school sponsored event. That means the athletic directors, sections are responsible for athletes. If conditions are not good enough for spectators and runners and specifically travel to the meet then they have to cancel. NXN is sponsored by nike, not the schools or sections. They are responsible to the people paying them to hold the race - the runners and parents. Our school does not pay for any regional or national event for travel or hotels. My athletes run feds most years, they enjoy the experience and enjoy being done before thanksgiving. they did nxn one year. In general outside of the top 20 kids in the race who think they have a chance to qualify it wasn't worth the trip and giving up thanksgiving weekend.
This year I felt the travel to long island and traveling again this weekend would be rough for most of the state. Kids will buy into whatever their coaches sell them, if they sell participating at NXN is what they should do - kids will do that. If they sell feds - kids will do that. I personally think we extend the seasons of kids way too much in our sport at a young age and try to balance letting them be teenagers and getting a positive experience (excluding the kid that is super elite and has a chance to qualify).
Having spent dozens of Saturdays at Bowdoin Park, I can confidently say that with the storm we had last night, the course would be a complete nightmare, parking would be a complete nightmare, and even getting the buses anywhere near the "staging" area would be a nightmare. As much as it sucks, this is probably the right decision.
That being said, it's a decision that could prove a "meet killer" for an already gasping, former great race.
Also not a new yorker wrote:
Can someone please explain the whole post-season system of NY cross country? I thought Feds was the equivalent of the state meet in other states? But now it sounds like lots of people skip it? I think you have section or region meets to get to state? Thanks in advance!
New York has four "Federations": NYSPHSAA (all non-NYC public schools), CHSAA (all Catholic private schools), PSAL (all NYC public schools), and AIS (all non-denominational private schools).
Each has it's own "Championship" on or about the same weekend, and the "Federation Championship" selects the top teams and individuals from those four meets, to run at Feds the week after.
Thing is, with both NXN-NY and Footlocker qualifying the week after, that would make a string of four straight "championship" or "qualifier" meets in a row at the end of the year, so a lot of the top teams and individuals will skip Feds to get a break before the national quals, greatly diminishing the status of the Federation meet recently.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, but the NXN-NY and Footlocker quals have absolutely killed the Federation meet.
Also not a new yorker wrote:
Can someone please explain the whole post-season system of NY cross country? I thought Feds was the equivalent of the state meet in other states? But now it sounds like lots of people skip it? I think you have section or region meets to get to state? Thanks in advance!
There are four different athletic associations in NY:
-NYSPHSAA (NY state public high school athletic association, henceforth known as PHSAA so I don't have to type it out everywhere)
-CHSAA (Catholic High School Athletic Association)
-PSAL (Public Schools Athletic League...which I think is basically NYC schools), and
-AIS (association of independent schools).
The PHSAA is by far the biggest, and is the one with all of the sectional meets (others may have such meets too, not sure though).
Sectionals for PHSAA is the first round of the post-season and is run with one race for each section/class combination. From here the winners of each section/class race go to the PHSAA state meet (AKA "states" even though it's not actually the endgame for every school in the state). The top X teams of the PHSAA meet, regardless of class (determined by merging the results, since each class race at this meet is run separately), go to the federation meet (AKA "Feds") to race the top teams from the CHSAA, PSAL, and AIS. PHSAA teams that did not make it to the state-wide meet may also go to Feds as "at-large" picks by the PHSAA, which is how teams like Liverpool get in despite being beaten by FM in their sectional meet.
After this, Nike takes over, and due to some dumb rule in the system, basically has to re-run the Fed meet to select its people for NXN. Unlike Cuomo selling out to Amazon, I think practically handing over the meet to Nike might actually do some good, since many teams skip Feds because of the NXN qualifying process, and because Feds and the NXN regional meet are basically the same thing at the championship level.
Sorry if someone else posted all this before I wrote it, but this take way too long to type and I'm not quitting now.
Couldn't they just combine it kind of like CA does it? Where they just invite the top schools?
Deadstream wrote:
[quote]Also not a new yorker wrote:
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, but the NXN-NY and Footlocker quals have absolutely killed the Federation meet.
In the beginning, NXN-NY wanted the Federation Meet to be NXN-NY. They told the state they didn't want to interfere on how individuals and teams were chosen for the race, that they wanted to sponsor the race (I'm assuming this was one of the big sticking points), and be able to automatically take the top 2 girls and boys teams with at-large consideration for the next two teams. The state did not want this to occur and are still somehow happy in their decision. They think it is the schools that "slight" the state by not going to the Federation meet, while in my opinion, it is the state that has slighted the schools, individuals, and all former runners that competed in the Federation championship when it was truly the ultimate New York state cross country championship.
That race was “Wittenberged”
Thanks for explaining this. Has there ever been talk of eliminating the 4 federations and just creating one unified high school athletic association?