Can we admit that we have a gun problem now?

We don't have a gun problem. If these people didn't have a gun, they would find a way to kill.

The reason is that Americans are the most evil and violent people in the developed world. A lot of us are truly evil, murderous people. Particularly white men, they're truly evil.

Nothing can be done about this. Oh well.

Earlier this year New York City had a lower murder rate than London for the first time ever. Crime and murder in the US have been on the decline for a while. Europe has been experiencing an uptick recently and it will be interesting to see if it continues as the demographics change.

joedirt wrote:

Earlier this year New York City had a lower murder rate than London for the first time ever. Crime and murder in the US have been on the decline for a while. Europe has been experiencing an uptick recently and it will be interesting to see if it continues as the demographics change.

So what you're saying is that New York City, one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the United States, has a declining murder rate thus demonstrating the problem in London is the demographics change?

The obvious answer is we need more guns. If only everyone in the club had a gun they could have stopped a Marine from shooting anyone. All of the gun nuts on this site are now fantasizing about how they would have stopped him if they had just been there. Go get them Rambo.

joedirt wrote:

FelonDJT wrote:

It's a mental health problem, which miraculously ends right at the Canadian border. Funny innit?

There are many factors that contribute to Canadas lower homicide rate than gun laws or mental health. Actually, many of the US States along the Canadian border have murder rates comparable to the Canadian Average (the Dakotas, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Idaho, Minnesota). When you dig deeper, you find that provinces with higher percentages of aboriginal inhabitants have murder rates higher than many US states (the Yukon, the NW territories, Nunavat, Saskatchewan and Manitoba). There are also fewer racial minorities, which is huge (2% Black as opposed to 12% Black in the US). Stop with the glorifying Canada nonsense. A little Bill Burr for your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZ5gTYMk8Y

More than 50% of Toronto's population was born outside of Toronto. 12% of the population is black. And yet, the murder rate is 15-20% that of a comparably sized North American city.

Canada is not a lily white Aryan Paradise.

Additionally, there are a lot of guns in Canada. 7th highest rate of ownership at 30/100 residents. But the difference is you can't act like an asshole w/ your gun (e.g. walking around w/ it in public), you are subject to daily criminal background check if you own one, and if you or a household member displays signs that are concerning - depression, being charged w/ a serious crime etc. - your guns are taken away.

rummie93 wrote:

Simple philosophy principle, if A is true, if B is true, and A + B = C, C is true

A) if someone does not possess a gun they cannot shoot someone

B) guns only kill lots of people if someone shoots them

C) people who posses guns and shoot people can kill people. People who do not posses guns cannot shoot guns and kill people.

In a vacuum, this works.

Although you are ignoring X variable, in real life. X being that there is probably one gun for every American, in America. You aren't going to legislate them out of existence. Think about weed, a federally scheduled drug. What do people do with weed? Pretty much whatever the hell they want.

Cats out of the bag at this point.

Cali has stricter gun laws then Canada. Many States are less strict than Canada. Also in Canada , if you have a prospectors permit , you can buy big creates of dynamite .

You're quoting old information.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/06/toronto-homicide-rate-now-higher-new-york/

Not to mention your mayor smoked crack.

Toronto is 8.9% Black, whereas NYC is closer to 25.5%. As I have argued elsewhere, gun laws should be legislated on a local level, not a national level, as there are very legitimate uses for firearms people want to ban in the 95+% of the land area of this country that doesn't exist in the confines of a concrete jungle.

12 dead high schoolers didn't change anything. 20 dead first graders didn't change anything. 12 dead movie goers didn't change anything. 49 dead gay, bi, & straight people didn't change anything. 58 dead concert attendees didn't change anything. 26 dead Christians didn't change anything. 7 dead people in yoga class didn't change anything. 11 dead Jews didn't change anything.

This shooting won't change anything. We've surrendered.

The only way anything ever changes with guns is by voting for Democrats. Republicans are too beholden to the NRA.

joedirt wrote:

You're quoting old information.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/06/toronto-homicide-rate-now-higher-new-york/

Not to mention your mayor smoked crack.

Toronto is 8.9% Black, whereas NYC is closer to 25.5%. As I have argued elsewhere, gun laws should be legislated on a local level, not a national level, as there are very legitimate uses for firearms people want to ban in the 95+% of the land area of this country that doesn't exist in the confines of a concrete jungle.

YTD murders

Toronto - 88

NYC - 252

The murder *rates* of TO and NYC are now roughly the same, thanks to the gun control measures of DeBlasio and others.

I'm not much of a gun guy so maybe you all can help my ignorance... What exactly is the need for a civilian to own a semi-automatic firearm?

ohia wrote:

rummie93 wrote:

Simple philosophy principle, if A is true, if B is true, and A + B = C, C is true

A) if someone does not possess a gun they cannot shoot someone

B) guns only kill lots of people if someone shoots them

C) people who posses guns and shoot people can kill people. People who do not posses guns cannot shoot guns and kill people.

In a vacuum, this works.

Although you are ignoring X variable, in real life. X being that there is probably one gun for every American, in America. You aren't going to legislate them out of existence. Think about weed, a federally scheduled drug. What do people do with weed? Pretty much whatever the hell they want.

Cats out of the bag at this point.

Just because you can't perfectly solve a problem doesn't mean you should give up doing anything at all. If you want different results (most people do, not you of course) then you have to change something.

= 205 people over your collection of incidents.

Number of US deaths everyMFday: 151,000

You described 8 incidents. 205.

8 days= more than ONE MILLION deaths.

If you tried to be more moranic, it would be nearly impossible. But I believe you have it in you.

yeah im the statman wrote:

= 205 people over your collection of incidents.

Number of US deaths everyMFday: 151,000

You described 8 incidents. 205.

8 days= more than ONE MILLION deaths.

If you tried to be more moranic, it would be nearly impossible. But I believe you have it in you.

Seriously, your point is that people die every day? I'll let the researchers know they should stop looking for cures to cancer because people die every day.

joedirt wrote:

FelonDJT wrote:

It's a mental health problem, which miraculously ends right at the Canadian border. Funny innit?

There are many factors that contribute to Canadas lower homicide rate than gun laws or mental health. Actually, many of the US States along the Canadian border have murder rates comparable to the Canadian Average (the Dakotas, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Idaho, Minnesota). When you dig deeper, you find that provinces with higher percentages of aboriginal inhabitants have murder rates higher than many US states (the Yukon, the NW territories, Nunavat, Saskatchewan and Manitoba). There are also fewer racial minorities, which is huge (2% Black as opposed to 12% Black in the US). Stop with the glorifying Canada nonsense. A little Bill Burr for your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hZ5gTYMk8Y

As a Canadian, this is BS. Stop the silly racist propaganda. Aboriginals in Canada do not have a higher rate of shooting people than other Canadians. And blaming only black people for shootings ignores that most of these violent death spree shootings are angry white men.

But our TV(CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc) tells us it's a huge rampant problem, so it must be. Well, and, our team wants to take the da3m guns!

Yes.