I just voted in NY without ID - good thing or bad thing?

bad policy wrote:

I live in a state (TN) and I have to show my ID to vote (like I did today). It makes no sense, you have to show a ID to buy a beer, but not to vote.

The only reason alcohol is illegal to sell to minors is because it creates a subculture of cool kids who drink underage and develop their addiction early in life. Alcoholism runs so deeply in our country that it is government funded.

idk123qa wrote:

This is probably a stupid point, but if voter fraud were a problem, it is likely that both parties would be doing so in roughly comparable amounts. I don't think either party is above wrongdoing or lying.

It would take thousands of illegal votes on one side to sway an election. If the evil liberals wanted to do so it would involve a large group of people. Good luck keeping it a secret.

Ha!

In Washington State the election board just sends out ballots to everybody whether you are a citizen of not. First hand knowledge here of a non-US citizen, legally in the USA on a Permanent Residency Visa that received a ballot in their name.

Everyone Votes in Washington State wrote:

Ha!

In Washington State the election board just sends out ballots to everybody whether you are a citizen of not. First hand knowledge here of a non-US citizen, legally in the USA on a Permanent Residency Visa that received a ballot in their name.

They send ballots to registered voters. If this person is a registered voter, someone has committed a felony and you may be obligated to report it to the proper authority.

Registered voters in Washington State wrote:

Everyone Votes in Washington State wrote:

Ha!

In Washington State the election board just sends out ballots to everybody whether you are a citizen of not. First hand knowledge here of a non-US citizen, legally in the USA on a Permanent Residency Visa that received a ballot in their name.

They send ballots to registered voters. If this person is a registered voter, someone has committed a felony and you may be obligated to report it to the proper authority.

They should be looking into who is sending out the ballots to just anybody. My guess is they are just getting the names off of the DMV and then mailing them.

wejo wrote:

It got me thinking about voter fraud. Seems likethe easier way to do it would be for the people with access to the blank ballots to stuff the box. Never hear of that happening recently but wouldn't that be more effective than having a bunch of people go pretend to be a registered voter?

Yes, that would be easier to commit effective fraud that way since you need large numbers for it to be worthwhile.

Do you think people with access to blank ballots are so willing to risk jail to get extra votes for the candidate of their choice?

Their own counsel told them it had dubious legality. Of/c not really a worry... Fortunately, they are "investigating" this in-house: wondering if that means whom to promote?

Jake Sanders, a Democratic consultant in the Treasure Coast who saw the email, told the USA TODAY NETWORK – Florida that he warned party staffers about the legality of using an altered form, but was ignored.

“I warned FDP staff members of the questionable legal status of altering a state form and misleading people their vote would be counted before the court case played out,” Sanders said. “And coordinated campaign leadership told them to keep pushing it that, ‘We are exhausting every possibility.'”

You can trust it, as Fake News CNN even agrees (not yet democracy-death WaPo though AFAIK).

Broward County Hand Recount Comes to Grinding Halt After Lawyers Discover Volunteers Were Counting the Wrong Ballots

Broward County Loses 2,040 Ballots – Supervisor Brenda Snipes Says: “We Think They’re Somewhere in the Building”

Subway Surfers wrote:

86'ed wrote:

Eat it, whiney Republamers (wherever you may be).

You just literally SUCK at finding additional ballot votes.

Ha! This pretty much explains how rotten Florida politics has become.

You mean Orange County (CA).

If you know you were going somewhere to buy alcohol or a gun you would bring your ID, if it is election day and you know you might go vote you would bring your ID. I don't understand why it is "racist" to require an ID

Bad Wigins wrote:

lease wrote:

It is typical (in many states) that the leading votegetter's party from the previous election is the party that's listed first. Whether that's the process in NYS--or it's simply done alphabetically--I don't know.

Most of my votes were cast for the Working Families Party or the Women's Equality Party, both well over to the right on the ballot--and both, of course, late in the alphabet.

And both nearly always the same person as the Democrat. Patently unfair to allow big parties to spawn fake third parties to get their name to appear more than once. New York started it.

Like David Koch on Libertarian ticket for US President, 1980.

Socrates wrote:

If you know you were going somewhere to buy alcohol or a gun you would bring your ID, if it is election day and you know you might go vote you would bring your ID. I don't understand why it is "racist" to require an ID

If most people without IDs are of a particular race then a disproportionate number of that race will be prevented from voting. If the requirement for an ID is enacted specifically to disqualify members of that race you've got racism.

So does that group of people not do anything that requires and ID? You need ID to get a job and to drive a car. I don't believe there is a large number of people that want to vote but can't get an ID

Socrates wrote:

So does that group of people not do anything that requires and ID? You need ID to get a job and to drive a car. I don't believe there is a large number of people that want to vote but can't get an ID

I love how right wingers on letsrun talk of voter ID as a benign policy, a policy according to right wingers not meant to bring harm onto any group of US Citizens. There is specific intent regarding voter ID to arm certain US Citizens. The results also prove particular groups are hurt by voter ID and purging voters. We have done this before in US. The southerns on letsrun over age of 45 know. We had poll taxes. We had literacy tests. The term grandfathered was specifically stated to exempt white people from poll tax and literacy tests. Interesting that the so-called conservatives of today are not talking about tax rates and balanced budgets. The modern racists right wingers talk about voter ID. No discussion by conservative white about blacks getting purged from voter registration lists.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It would take thousands of illegal votes on one side to sway an election. If the evil liberals wanted to do so it would involve a large group of people. Good luck keeping it a secret.

Snipes almost manufactured 50000 or so, and all those involved in Broward County are pretty mum about it. Illinois in 1960 (JFK), any rats knew they'd be killed (and of/c MSM will call them "conspiracy theorists").

Socrates wrote:

So does that group of people not do anything that requires and ID? You need ID to get a job and to drive a car. I don't believe there is a large number of people that want to vote but can't get an ID

It's probably not a large group but it's a group. I described my mother's situation in a much earlier post. She had no ID, did not have a job or drive a car, couldn't get to the place where IDs were issued and was on a really tight budget so the cost was an issue.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

If the evil liberals wanted to do so it would involve a large group of people. Good luck keeping it a secret.

Except that people DO talk about this all the time (all levels, registration, voting, counting, all). Just there's ZERO prosecution of it, and the cover story of fraud being a "right-wing conspiracy theory" is floated instead. Real countries prove they take democracy seriously by the manner they hold elections, your USA does not.

“I think I have served the purpose that I came here for, which was to provide a credible election product for our voters,” said Snipes last week during a press conference.

Not as wise as you believe wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

And both nearly always the same person as the Democrat. Patently unfair to allow big parties to spawn fake third parties to get their name to appear more than once. New York started it.

Like David Koch on Libertarian ticket for US President, 1980.

You seem unclear on the difference between slot-hoarding and vote-splitting. Koch's candidacy was no help to Reagan and could have hurt him if the race were close.

While some third parties cross-nominate Dems and Republicans in some states, New York is way out there. The WFP is a Democratic policy faction that offers an extra ballot line in exchange for ideological concessions. They never seriously oppose Dem candidates, and this year they even kicked their own nominee off the ballot to back Cuomo.

Allowing candidates' names to appear more than once on the ballot is disgraceful in and of itself, even if all the parties are real. Only a gangster-run machine state would allow an implicit bias like that in its elections.