NY Times disrespected Mary Keitany today with its marathon headline. Was it also racist?

devils abvocate wrote:

wfacnskl wrote:

But everyone knows the NYC marathon. It's like Gault said: no headline would say "Winner dominates the Masters; wins by 6 strokes" even if it was a total unknown.

Is this racist too?

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The fact that people are offended by everything shows how the PC culture is getting out of hand.

It was not racist. It is more symptomatic of the relative obscurity of the sport and most of its so-called stars. Anybody who cares at all about the sport either already knew who won or would then see her name in the article. She is not a household name in the US. If she were a white European named Constantine Dita, they would likely have done something similar. Some of you do not know even know who Dita is of course. This is more about the obscurity of the sport and the country of origin, meaning not a US runner, irrespective of race.

Bingo! Rojo is being a baby and over reacting. You would thin Rojo is a snowflake

Piopus wrote:

It was not racist. It is more symptomatic of the relative obscurity of the sport and most of its so-called stars. Anybody who cares at all about the sport either already knew who won or would then see her name in the article. She is not a household name in the US. If she were a white European named Constantine Dita, they would likely have done something similar. Some of you do not know even know who Dita is of course. This is more about the obscurity of the sport and the country of origin, meaning not a US runner, irrespective of race.

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And yet, Keitany had such an extreme Hct jump in 2016 that even the IAAF classified her as a "likely doper".

Generally, they just say Kenyan wins the marathon. This is a new low. To the average reader, they are all faceless Kenyans. Some folks have to knowledge to say East Africans.

fwekm wrote:

This is not a "hook". And there are different "levels" of racism. No one is saying this is the same as if they wrote "Some random African won again; who cares?" I'm sure it was an accident, and I'm sure the person who did this is a good person.

But it's also more clear racism than most of what people call racist. They automatically discounted her as a person because she's African, and paired the headline with an emotionless photo because that's their natural reaction whenever an African wins a race

Nice post. I only asked because as a while male I'm used to the media, particularly outfits like the NY Times, calling everything racist. So I thought it very ironic that they'd discount the performance of a leading woman from a male dominated country.

I'm not sure it's really intentionally racist. I mean they'd love to herald a win by say Lopez Lomong.

I guess the headline honcho would have preferred another name to work with (subtle racism, one could argue), but let’s be honest that many American runners would also have preferred another name in first, too.

Bad headline, the "Winner" should definitely be named. But definitely not racist.

Here's my guess as to the NYT headline editor thought process: Nobody really follows marathoning, so if we say Keitany leaves the pack... nobody knows who or what Keitany is. Of course we who follow the sport do, but not the average NYT reader.

Me neither. I've seen headlines like that before as well. Racism? This country has gone over the top with that word, it really has.

Even worse since it is the NEW YORK marathon. You think the NYT would own it.

It’ seems more nationalistic than racist to me. If she was European I wouldn’t be surprised with the same line. Actually I think they would of replaced “winner” with” American” if it was someone like Shalane. It’s amazing how how peoplr are so quick to claim racism in this nation. Actually I believe we are more divided politically than racially. Both need to stop but people just can’t let go of their pride.

"Strict antidoping protocols"? Do they have their own antidoping agency (NYADA?) that knocks on their door randomly throughout the year? Do athletes have to report whereabouts to NYADA? When has this NYADA banned an athlete? You are delirious.

NYCM doesn't do anything the other majors don't.

If you think Hasay is more likely a doper than Keitany, you know nothing about the sport.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Her name is Mary Keitany, one of the most successful obvious but uncaught dopers since Paula Radcliffe.

Naw. Mary is clean, seriously. NYC has strict anti-doping protocols , which is why a lot of top runners don't run it, or opt for other marathons. If NYC even thinks that you are doping, you will not get an invite. Mary came out of the gate in 2007 ripping up half marathons. As a school girl, she ran several miles to get to school, and had to run back home. She is an example of african kids, who used running as transportation.

We will probably never see Rupp or Hasay run New York, because of the doping implications that hoover over the NOP.

That makes no sense. Not saying she is doping, but its highly unusual to dope during an event. A top runner doped to the gills would've no problems competing in the NYC Marathon without getting caught.

When Kenyan Ibrahim Hussein became the first African to win New York in 1987 the tv coverage switched away when he crossed the finish line. It was the tenth year the race had been televised and the only time that "error" had occurred. When they got around to mentioning his name they said Saddam Hussein had won the New York City Marathon. It was embarrassing to watch even though I was not remotely responsible for it.

Folks,

I have been saying this to runners, cyclists and triathletes all the time; "We are a very small group" Whether you are a cyclists, runner, ultra runner, triathlete, etc.. , You are in a group that many or most Americans can not identify with. How many people are in this country? 330 million? Approx?

How many male runners? 5 million? female runners? 5 million?

That's about 3% of the total population. Add to this the rising obesity issue, and other problems of kids or younger adults having a rising number of excuses from doctors and parents to not participate in gym or phy ed.

The fact that some person at a national news paper says "winner.." does not surprise me.

I remember a local 5 mile road race, the lead vehicle had a local close circuit camera for that town's television channel. The commentator said after the leaders went through 2 miles in 10:15, he said " they're running about 4 minute miles.." And no one called him on it. I mean even if you're not into running, it's simple math.

What if Ethiopia had an annual arm wrestling contest and I went over there and beat them 50 years in a row.

I am sure they would feel they would act similarly.

The winner is in the picture. The pack isn’t. That’s it.

YMMV wrote:

"Strict antidoping protocols"? Do they have their own antidoping agency (NYADA?) that knocks on their door randomly throughout the year? Do athletes have to report whereabouts to NYADA? When has this NYADA banned an athlete? You are delirious.

NYCM doesn't do anything the other majors don't.

If you think Hasay is more likely a doper than Keitany, you know nothing about the sport.

Anything else to add? No? Only the usual racist drivel?