Can someone explain the argument for gun control

Deer fellow LRC liberty-minded patriots,

Remember at these times it’s important not to politicize tragedy....

Also, it’s too soon....thoughts & prays are appropriate but if you need to discuss these issues further remember this....

The following is the brand new and original LRC, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Trump/Pence, and Brietbart sanctioned algorithm for assigning motive to a mass shooting these days:

1) First step, determine the perpetrator's religion. If they're Muslim you're done! They are a radical Islamic terrorist motivated by their religion (which should heretofore be referred to as a pseudo-religion, political movement, or "death cult" in any discussion). The solution to the problem in these cases is to ban Islam and restrict immigration. It's irrelevant if the perp is a US born citizen or if said ban doesn't even include the perps or perps parents country of origin. The perps religion is the ONLY possible explanation for their motives and the above ban is the ONLY viable solution to prevent future attacks. If the perp is not Muslim move to step two in the algorithm.

2) Second step, if a non-Muslim committed the heinous act determine the perpetrator's race. If they are black you're done! The cause of the crime is the lack or a moral compass in the black community, blacks inherent violent nature, Antifa, or black lives matter. The only possible solutions are harsher prison sentences, for-profit charter schools, reinstatement of school prayer, and tax cuts. If the perp is neither Muslim or black, move to step three.

3) Step three, is the accused Hispanic by chance? If yes, the solutions are to build a MASSIVE border wall across our entire Southern border, permanently station US infantry / artillery / special forces along the US-Mexico border, end chain migration, deportation of all DACA recipients, and mandatory English education...TALK ‘Murican dammit! If the accused is not Hispanic move to the next step below.

4) Is the perp a teenager or a college kid? If yes, you’re done! The cause of the crime is the nanny state, generational laziness, violent video games & movies, pre-marital sex, porn, and the absence of God (The Christian God) in schools. We need to ban all porn, ban all violent video games & movies, teach abstinence-only sex education, bring back school prayer, and slash all entitlement programs (except for Medicare and social security for the elderly...).

5) Can it be proven that the perpetrator is a registered Democrat? If yes, you’re done! The cause is the violent political ideology of the left. Didn’t you know the Nazis were Social Democrats? Didn’t you know that the Democratic Party of the early 20th century was pro-segregation? The only solution to save our Democracy is to have single party control of the Government and to make Trump & his family POTUS for life—that’s how you save Democracy!

6) Is the accused a woman? If yes, this is a rare event but the cause is the loss of family values, no fault divorce, legalized abortion, easy access to contraception, and women’s inability to handle work related stress. We need to ban all abortion, contraception, and divorce to prevent such incidents in the future.

7) This is the final step. In this step the perpetrator is a white male that may or may not be a Christian. In these cases (which are the majority) the only possible explanation is mental illness. In these cases it is way too soon to discuss doing anything! After all we cannot overreact to these situations by passing EXTREME new laws! The only option is to turn to prayer and realize that we are helpless to prevent further similar incidents.

After some time for prayer and reflection, the only reasonable possible solution is to arm every man, woman, and child with large caliber firearms and mandate open carry at all times.

Please follow the above algorithm at all times to insure a productive, reality based discussion of crime in America on the boards. That is all.

.....for those of you new to the algorithm--based on the info at hand we are advocating you go with #7 for this one.

joedirt wrote:

Did you even read the article? The shooter used a HAND GUN.

You are correct. All guns are bad. Thank you!

To be more precise, he had a Glock 21 semi-automatic with 45 caliber ammunition and a ten round magazine. That's not an outrageously high capacity weapon. Those are some big bullets, though. This guy was a trained marine who evidently had a vendetta with someone or some group at the bar (he had been in a bar fight at some point and was known to police, however their mental health people did not view him as a threat).

And while you debate what kind of gun was used in this latest shooting we know for a fact more Americans will die exercising your sacred constitutional right.

Extended clip wrote:

joedirt wrote:

Did you even read the article? The shooter used a HAND GUN.

You are correct. All guns are bad. Thank you!

but some are worse than others.

handguns are the worst - something like 75% of all gun crimes are commited with handguns.

rifles of any sort are hardly ever used in murders, but since ARs look all scary that's the one people focus on. Rifles can't be hidden, so hard to walk around with one.

but if you want a quick fix...make buying handguns very very hard and make rifles much easier. Gun crime would fall a lot.

joedirt wrote:

To be more precise, he had a Glock 21 semi-automatic with 45 caliber ammunition and a ten round magazine. That's not an outrageously high capacity weapon. Those are some big bullets, though. This guy was a trained marine who evidently had a vendetta with someone or some group at the bar (he had been in a bar fight at some point and was known to police, however their mental health people did not view him as a threat).

It had a high capacity magazine. People thought it was an Uzi because of the long magazine on it. High capacity magazines on a glock 21 can hold 26-33 rounds. In the hands of a regular civilian, that kind of weapon is not easy to shoot accurately under high stress conditions. But in the hands of an ex-Marine, that kind of weapon with a high capacity magazine is very deadly.

What I am pointing out is that the types of gun control that people are advocating for here would not have affected this shooting in the least. Most soldiers and ex soldiers have weapons already as well. Marines are all trained on an M-16 or AR-15 variant. There are about 2.0 million active duty soldiers and reservists at any given time in the US military and many more ex-soldiers. The main point being that incidents like this are extremely rare and while tragic it is over reactionary to state that the 40% or more of households that own guns responsibly somehow need to have their liberties reduced because of the actions of a handful of nut cases. As far as automatic rifles not being necessary for hunting, I would argue against that. Feral pigs are a real problem for farmers, forests and ecosystems across the country. One of the best ways to off these buggers is with automatic rifles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANKgTjUD69U

Feral pigs? That’s where you went? That’s just funny. That gunman in California likely bought his gun for feral pig protection. Yup. No way to have prevented that whole thing. Not as long as there are feral pigs.

There is no reason to use a AR 15 for feral hogs. The .223 caliber can be inefficient especially with larger hogs. All my east Texas hog hunting friends use .30 Winchesters. As you can see in the video, you generally get one or two hogs before they all scatter. So, there is no reason to have a clip with 30 bullets. AR15s and high capacity magazines serve only one purpose: killing as many people as possible in a short span of time. Just because it is possible to use them for something else doesn't mean they should be legal.

3-5% of the land area in this country is Urban, the remaining 95+% is rural or forest. If you want to legislate what things people can have on their person in the city, fine, but don't act like there are not legitimate uses for these weapons you are constantly complaining need to be eliminated all together. And like I said earlier, the ex-marine in this recent shooting used a hand gun, not an assault rifle.

They seem pretty efficient in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ribiDIkEv_s

and in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGu38iKZu5k

joedirt wrote:

the ex-marine in this recent shooting used a hand gun, not an assault rifle.

Assault is an adjective, it implies the rifle did something.

Mine is in my gun safe and never "assaulted" anyone.

Precious Roy wrote:

There is no reason to use a AR 15 for feral hogs. The .223 caliber can be inefficient especially with larger hogs. All my east Texas hog hunting friends use .30 Winchesters. As you can see in the video, you generally get one or two hogs before they all scatter. So, there is no reason to have a clip with 30 bullets. AR15s and high capacity magazines serve only one purpose: killing as many people as possible in a short span of time. Just because it is possible to use them for something else doesn't mean they should be legal.

I think you likely fall into the category below, except for being a politician. Although it would not surprise me one bit, if you were. Also telling is your reference to a 'clip", and bullets in said "clip". Had you had any firearm training at all, you would realize that the correct terminology is "magazine" and "cartridge". If you're going to spout nonsense, at least try to appear educated about the subject.

Sorry,

He had illegally modified magazines with higher capacity than standard, proving the complete ineffectiveness of gun controls on a trained, motivated individual.

joedirt wrote:

Sorry,

He had illegally modified magazines with higher capacity than standard, proving the complete ineffectiveness of gun controls on a trained, motivated individual.

He did indeed.

Watch the open flames, boys, there's a lot of strawmans floating around this area.

Why are drugs regulated or illegal? Drugs are not evil. Just bad people using them wrongly

Who gives a rats butt what your gun fetish terminology is. The fact is that your precious guns are being used at shocking levels to commit horrific mass murder. The fact that you know your terminology doesn't mean that you have more credibility. In fact, it just indicates an extreme bias because you have a sick gun fetish that prevents you from seeing that our idiotic gun culture has caused our churches, synagogues, yoga studios, country line dance bars, offices, elementary, middle, high school and colleges, Luby's, McDonalds, outdoor music festivals, movie theaters and post offices into killing fields. Putting gun nuts in charge of our gun laws is like having pedophiles in charge of sentencing guidelines for child rapists. Thanks to your gun nut society, my elementary school kids were taught to turn off the lights and hide in the closet if a bad guy is at the school. My son had nightmares for a week when an older brother of his friend told him that the bad guys had guns and would shoot all the kids and teachers. His elementary school has prek 3 & 4. The classrooms for the younger kids open up to courtyards with no hallways. Parents used to be able to walk their little ones up to their classroom door in the morning and the same for pickup. Now, they had to build a wrought iron fence around the entire building and the parents have to drop their kids off at the front entrance of the building. Every morning, there is a prek kid who freaks out and has to be pried away from their parents and dragged off to their classroom because they are afraid of being left alone (no teachers are at the front gate). This was all because of all the mass shootings. My mother is a social worker. She works primarily with teenagers and families. All she hears from teenagers today is that they are afraid this kid or that kid is going to shoot up the school. This is all because we as a society have been afraid of taking on the gun nuts and putting in some serious restrictions on firearms. No AR weapons. I do not care if you can shoot a pig with them. They are weapons of war and should not be on the street. No large clips, magazines or bullet purses or whatever you gun nuts call them. These only serve to enable mass murder. No more gun shows or causal sales. Only gun sales through licensed dealers. I don't care whether the mass shooting bought his gun legally or not. It is insane to allow any idiot out there to sell a firearm to any other idiot without a background check. It should be a felony to fail to secure a firearm if it is stolen and used in a crime.

Case in point. Looks like my previous post got way to close to home.