"You do not look 43"--------------G*Y alert--G*y alert!
"You do not look 43"--------------G*Y alert--G*y alert!
Dano wrote:
"You do not look 43"--------------G*Y alert--G*y alert!
We can only hope now that it's Monday morning, you are back in high school and unable to post again until next weekend.
Guys any tips on running a 2:17 marathon?
kmaclam wrote:
Dano wrote:
"You do not look 43"--------------G*Y alert--G*y alert!
We can only hope now that it's Monday morning, you are back in high school and unable to post again until next weekend.
High school? You’re too kind. I’d be putting the guy under the must-be-this-tall-to-ride bar for “It’s a Small World After All.”
Coulda woulda shoulda in my late 20s or early 30s (mid-2:30s at altitude at 25) but didn't train or line up for any until 41 (2:44 off limited training), 50 (2:54), but did it at 59 with a 2:58. Planned for sub 3 at Boston this spring but the nor'easter had different ideas. Likely going after it and then some next year.
hi Rs001! good talking to you last month. Rs 002
22twos wrote:
Raysharp001 wrote:
I pretty much do all the tricks in the article already -- tempo, intervals, etc. Except the beet juice. I am a sceptic on nutrition gimmicks.
I'm also a sceptic on nutrition/recovery gimmicks, (ahem, cryotherapy) but I will say beet juice has some pretty solid studies and science backing it up. I'd recommend wearing a heart rate monitor and trying the same workouts with and without BeetElite or similar product.
I tried beet juice for a while - was okay for some races but I'd have the worst cramping in the universe. I thought it was the side effect of running a race hard, but no it was the beet juice. In the bathrooms with the worst cramping for hours after a race.
Not worth it.
I would say 2:39 @ 40. As we are seeing so many old guys conquour NYC in their 40s I don't think the decline in the marathon really sets in until sometime after 40. Maybe 45.
nxthompson wrote:
Hello, I'm the author. Thanks for the kind feedback, and for posting this here. And 22twos, that's a really good idea. I may try that test! I was only really using the beet juice the last couple weeks, but it's a totally good idea. And one could probably do the same thing with the shoes: particularly with all the extra data I started tracking on power and heart rate.
Thanks for posting on here!
I'm curious if you can or would be willing to share your training log during this buildup, just out of curiosity.
Thinly veiled shill for VP4%. Nice job by the Nike marketing folks. I've seen this article linked by several running groups I follow on FB. Definitely got their money's worth for giving this hobby jogger a free pair of shoes and singlet.
3200y5000 wrote:
Guys any tips on running a 2:17 marathon?
Maybe ask Lagat?
An old follower of the Rbbmoose Runner's World thread here. I tried unsuccessfully with a 2:45 Seattle Marathon at age 42. Shortly after got injured, stopped running, yada yada.
I've been running again consistently for the past 18 months, and feel I've really hit my stride again the past 6 months. No races though, and looking for something to cap off this "block". I started thinking about trying for a Moose Mug again now at age 50.
Outside Seattle there is the "Light at the End of the Tunnel" marathon, which is at point to point course with nearly constant -2% grade, loosing about 2,000 ft! Kind of cheating, but it's certified and a BQ qualifier, lol. The race is canceled now, so I'll run it unsupported and wearing a hydration pack.
Last weekend I ran up the last 10 miles, and then back down at MP (that was the plan). But quickly let the pace drift faster and averaged around 6:20 for the last 10 miles. I felt pretty good afterward, though it took several days for my legs to bounce back from the run. That said, I really felt like I could have done the 2:50 fairly easily, and now am considering trying for even faster in a few weeks? Even on a downhill course, would be excited to set a a PR. :-)
I never heard about this "Moose Mug" is it still a thing? I did it a couple of time at ages 54 and 55 and missed a third time by 4 seconds.
Now 65 and nowhere close to 3:05 -- running 3:17-18. . .
2:22:20 at 21, and 2:57:43 at 54. So no, couldn’t do it.
Running this concept through the age-grading WMA calculator, it seems to be easiest at 40 (80%) being more difficult at20 or 30, and shoots up to 87% for age 65.
I'm satisfied for now just being under 2:00+age for the 800 and 5:00+age for the mile.
The great thing about this is that after running 2:38:34 at Chicago that year, Nick went on to break 2:30 the next year! He wrote a follow-up article in Wired about it. There's a long thread about it on letsrun.
Umm, a 43 year old ran 2:10 on the brutal trials course, so not that impressive.
Update!
After my post above, I ended up with a 2:54 in 2020 at age 50. Was on pace for 2:49 through about 19 miles and started cramping and slowed.
My only marathon in 2021 was Pike's Peak in 6 hours. Good luck getting 2 hours + age on that.
This weekend, at age 51, I ran 2:48:43 at Big Sur Marathon! I feel I'm closer to 2:45 shape, but went out a bit conservative hoping to negative split but instead had a slight fade the last few miles being unable to pick it up much on the downhills. (the course is constant hills for those unfamiliar) Regardless, I'm super happy with the time, and probably my best paced marathon. To put in perspective how crazy that pacing was, mile 11 was my slowest at 7:34, followed shortly by my fastest of 5:37 at mile 13. By mile 25 I was still able to run a 6:14. Overall average pace worked out to 6:26.
I've been lucky and had a couple years of training now uninterrupted by any major setbacks. This was a 16 week training block, and was running mid 80 miles for much of it. Following a plan I downloaded from Higher Running (Sage Canaday) to try something different.
Took me over 10 years, but finally got it. How do I get my moose mug?!?
👍 I’ll try the triple crown in three years when I turn 65 and ease into semi-retirement. 800, mile , and marathon 2+age, 5+age, and two hours plus age.