Bernard Lagat NYC Marathon: Over or Under 2:12

B sample Bernie wrote:

Chicknlegs wrote:

What is your personal best Kmaclam? Is it close to 2:17? Doubtful. Ouch!

Triggered by a comment on an over the hill doper? Low threshold, dude. Better toughen up.

pain threshold is something you cant epo your way out of!

kmaclam wrote:

2:17 plus......ouch

Wow - nice call!

Barabbas wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

2:17 plus......ouch

Wow - nice call!

He posted that after Lagat finished.

Hayduke wrote:

B sample Bernie wrote:

Triggered by a comment on an over the hill doper? Low threshold, dude. Better toughen up.

pain threshold is something you cant epo your way out of!

Rupp did, by adding mass quantities of painkillers to his injections.

Devil Dog wrote:

This might be his first marathon, but it isn't his first rodeo. He's Bernard Lagat. He knows exactly what his fitness is. If he says he's going for the record, he's going for the record.

I say he runs 5:00 pace, and flirts with breaking 2:11.

Thanks for your insight Mr . Expert man ?

Low mileage doesn’t work for the thon. He can run sub 2:12 but he’s gonna have to start doing 100 plus mile weeks and forget about 5k pace or faster workouts. I wouldn’t blame him if he doesn’t want to do that volume at his age though.

I think he will run one more thon. If it’s not faster than 2:12 he will retire before the Olympic trials. If he doesn’t have a shot at making the team there’s likely no reason for him to continue.

Probably too much fast twitch over slow. All the reasons why was the boss in 1500 will not help in the marathon.

Moo Goo wrote:

Probably too much fast twitch over slow. All the reasons why was the boss in 1500 will not help in the marathon.

Mo ran 3:28 and 2:05 low in the marathon. Genetic advantage?

B sample Bernie wrote:

Chicknlegs wrote:

What is your personal best Kmaclam? Is it close to 2:17? Doubtful. Ouch!

Triggered by a comment on an over the hill doper? Low threshold, dude. Better toughen up.

I like Lagat and admire him still giving it his all at 43, but the hard facts are that he got popped for EPO in an era when it's almost certain virtually all the top guys were overdosing on the stuff, and although he managed to get off with it under suspicious circumstances, he was very likely (to say the least) using EPO in his prime.

I'd like to think he only used EPO when it was basically the norm in that stained period of track history, but who knows how long the benefits of EPO use will last? There have been at least two studies that showed EPO use has anti-aging effects. I hope he doesn't break any more Masters records and that the EPO guys should just be grateful they got to compete in an era that allowed them to be rocket fuelled. Don't put the Masters records out of reach of clean guys, like you did for most of the Senior records.

Coevett wrote:

the hard facts are that he got popped for EPO in an era when it's almost certain virtually all the top guys were overdosing on the stuff, and although he managed to get off with it under suspicious circumstances, he was very likely (to say the least) using EPO in his prime.

what suspicious circumstances?

A) All experts present agreed that the urine of Mr. Bernard Lagat did not contain any recombinant erythropoietin (rhEpo) and he therefore had not committed Epo-doping.

B) While the test of Mr. Lagat´s B-sample did not reveal any reactive components in positions taken as indication of a positive test, the original A-sample showed bands in this region which, however, were not fully identical with those of the reference recombinant Epo and might well be due to glycoprotein modifications.

Martial Saugy

come on, ladies and gentlemen. first marathon at age 43. considering his two half marathons in 62 minutes the result is not the optimal performance, but also not bad. what is it worth on a flat course like berlin? sub 2:15? we will see if there is more to come, but i would not say that a 2:12 is quixotic for a runner of his calibre.

wisenheimer at work wrote:

come on, ladies and gentlemen. first marathon at age 43. considering his two half marathons in 62 minutes the result is not the optimal performance, but also not bad. what is it worth on a flat course like berlin? sub 2:15? we will see if there is more to come, but i would not say that a 2:12 is quixotic for a runner of his calibre.

A 2:17 + debut from a 43 year old just means he is a novelty.

Even if he gets to 2;12, another old guy who is now a novelty was there too.

Who cares? He's just squeezing out the last dollar from his spectacular career. But he's never going to trouble the scorers again.

Lagat is my favorite runner, but I was shocked that letsrun gave him the most votes to finish first American. I thought sub 2:15 would be a good result, so I'm not that surprised at his finishing time. If he keeps training for the marathon he may still have a slight chance at Meb's record, on a flat course, but I doubt it. I'd say he could maybe get within a minute of it at best.

Bgfffff wrote:

I think he will run one more thon. If it’s not faster than 2:12 he will retire before the Olympic trials. If he doesn’t have a shot at making the team there’s likely no reason for him to continue.

He will be 45 in 13 months. And M45 World Record (2:14:16) could be within his reach.

I thought he'd run a good deal faster and I still think he'll do that in a subsequent marathon. I just wanted to chime in to say I was wrong that he'd go sub 2:12. I was right that this is not the course for fast times. 2:05 high in New York is worth 2:03 high probably at Berlin.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Bgfffff wrote:

I think he will run one more thon. If it’s not faster than 2:12 he will retire before the Olympic trials. If he doesn’t have a shot at making the team there’s likely no reason for him to continue.

He will be 45 in 13 months. And M45 World Record (2:14:16) could be within his reach.

the over 45 record will be sub 2:10 if not 2"07 ish soon enough....