Abraham Kiptum WORLD RECORD 58:18 Half Marathon

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

drivel

Will you and other posters like SSA and Coevett (and his many aliases) stop ruining threads?

This thread is not about doping. Can you keep your doping talk to the dedicated threads that Coevett, for example, has so kindly created for all of you anti-Kenyans to have some fun?

Thank you.

Back on topic.

Kiptum has run some great races in the last few years. And his performance in Amsterdam 2017 was really amazing.

Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23fRdCtUBc

His stride is impressive and he is not afraid of committing to a fast pace.

I like the bit where you say this thread isn't about doping.

Not Buying It wrote:

trollism wrote:

In fairness, Kenya has only had facilities to test blood for a matter of weeks.

It hasn't really had enough time to take any effect. Oh, and there's still the option of hiding in the mountains when you're glowing.

Link please if you're telling the truth. Otherwise quit making stuff up because you don't like the Kenyans!

Can I carry on with my correct statements now boss?

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

drivel

Will you and other posters like SSA and Coevett (and his many aliases) stop ruining threads?

This thread is not about doping. Can you keep your doping talk to the dedicated threads that Coevett, for example, has so kindly created for all of you anti-Kenyans to have some fun?

Thank you.

Back on topic.

Kiptum has run some great races in the last few years. And his performance in Amsterdam 2017 was really amazing.

Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23fRdCtUBc

His stride is impressive and he is not afraid of committing to a fast pace.

Thanks for the link, good coverage of a great race. I think we may be in for a treat in Abu Dhabi if Kiptum recovers well from his HM WR race !

El Keniano wrote:

trollism wrote:

In fairness, Kenya has only had facilities to test blood for a matter of weeks.

It hasn't really had enough time to take any effect. Oh, and there's still the option of hiding in the mountains when you're glowing.

As opposed to hiding behind faulty doorbells?

The difference between me and you is I think Mo is likely to be doping because of this. CO the 400m runner I also think doped - 3 tests come on!

Despite overwhelming evidence you still believe that Kenyan athletics is clean. At least ours have tests to dodge

Abraham is very fast guy!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

As opposed to hiding behind faulty doorbells?

The difference between me and you is I think Mo is likely to be doping because of this. CO the 400m runner I also think doped - 3 tests come on!

Despite overwhelming evidence you still believe that Kenyan athletics is clean. At least ours have tests to dodge

"At least ours have tests to dodge". Excellent! Nothing like a good one-liner.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

As opposed to hiding behind faulty doorbells?

The difference between me and you is I think Mo is likely to be doping because of this. CO the 400m runner I also think doped - 3 tests come on!

Despite overwhelming evidence you still believe that Kenyan athletics is clean. At least ours have tests to dodge

Nah! We're nabbing cheats and you're not. Your "tests" are nothing but window dressing.

I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

drivel

Will you and other posters like SSA and Coevett (and his many aliases) stop ruining threads?

This thread is not about doping. Can you keep your doping talk to the dedicated threads that Coevett, for example, has so kindly created for all of you anti-Kenyans to have some fun?

Thank you.

Back on topic.

Kiptum has run some great races in the last few years. And his performance in Amsterdam 2017 was really amazing.

Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23fRdCtUBc

His stride is impressive and he is not afraid of committing to a fast pace.

I had suspected "I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies" was Ex Runner, this just confirms it.

Too funny...WADA is imploding right before our eyes. ? This is BIG:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/31/wada-russian-anti-doping-summit-emergency

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6339569/Sir-Craig-Reedie-faces-fresh-calls-resign-WADA-president-White-House-meeting.html

Where's rekrunner now to convince us how reliable WADA is? ?

And those ridiculous links El K posted from WADA? ?

Same as it ever was... wrote:

Too funny...WADA is imploding right before our eyes. ? This is BIG:

Same old, same old.

When the huge IAAF scandal came out 3 - 4 years ago, led from its very top, with the IAAF Council involved and WADA doing nothing, one should have used that opportunity to completely overhaul both, instead of promoting IAAF's Vice President to President (for a job well done?) and leaving the Council and WADA basically unchanged.

That opportunity was missed with open eyes.

“We’re nabbing cheats...” Who is this we you speak of? You are a white dude with zero Kenyan heritage.

El Keniano wrote:

Nah! We're nabbing cheats and you're not. Your "tests" are nothing but window dressing.

Kipseudo wrote:

“We’re nabbing cheats...” Who is this we you speak of? You are a white dude with zero Kenyan heritage.

El Keniano wrote:

Nah! We're nabbing cheats and you're not. Your "tests" are nothing but window dressing.

Hello Coevett.

Same as it ever was... wrote:

Too funny...WADA is imploding right before our eyes. ? This is BIG:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/31/wada-russian-anti-doping-summit-emergencyhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6339569/Sir-Craig-Reedie-faces-fresh-calls-resign-WADA-president-White-House-meeting.html

Where's rekrunner now to convince us how reliable WADA is? ?

And those ridiculous links El K posted from WADA? ?

The essential point from the summit is that anti-doping is not working. Meanwhile, record performances continue to be notched up by yet another country with a conspicuous doping problem. We cannot know if these performances are genuine. We are in an environment where nothing is a given and no elite performance - including Kiptum's - can be taken at face-value.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Performances today make the best of yesteryear seem little better than schoolboys. In fact, there are schoolboys today who could easily outrun quite recent former Olympic champions. Something else is also at work, which the experts say is at the level of a "pandemic", and which we glimpse every time we read of yet another failed blood test.

I am not sure where you are going with this. Are you implying that drug use is pandemic in school athletics? From what you say the following athletes are all highly suspicious:

Then 16 year old Candace Hill whose 100m time is faster than the 1976 world record.

Then 17 year old Kaylin Whitney whose 200m time is faster then the 1968 WR

Then 17 year old Mary Cain whose 1500m time is faster than the 1972 WR

Then 15 year old Dior Hall whose 110m hurdle time is faster than the 1968 WR

Then 16 year old Katelyn Tuohy whose 1 mile time is faster than the 1971 WR.

Then 15 year old Sydney McLaughlin whose 400m hurdle time is faster than the 1978 WR

And that's just the American girls.

Same as it ever was... wrote:

Too funny...WADA is imploding right before our eyes. ? This is BIG:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/31/wada-russian-anti-doping-summit-emergencyhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-6339569/Sir-Craig-Reedie-faces-fresh-calls-resign-WADA-president-White-House-meeting.html

Where's rekrunner now to convince us how reliable WADA is? ?

And those ridiculous links El K posted from WADA? ?

As much as I feel for, and support, athletes like Alyssa Montano (I loved her fearlessness on the track and my heart broke for her when she finished outside the medals in 2012 and 2013 despite giving everything and making the races), I can't be the only one who notices these complaints always come from the same five or six English-speaking countries (I'm including Ireland) with an enduring animus towards Russia. How hard is it to get others from Africa, Asia, South America and continental Europe on their side? It would certainly earn them much needed (and deserved) credibility.

But the thing is, WADA is run by Anglo-Saxons and it still let them down. The IAAF is run by Anglo-Saxons, as is the AIU and a bunch of other powerful sports bodies. Which is why I'm rooting against them getting their hands on FIFA and the IOC.

Je ne suis pas seul.

https://twitter.com/Duncan_ITG/status/1057747011552845824

El Keniano wrote:

As much as I feel for, and support, athletes like Alyssa Montano (I loved her fearlessness on the track and my heart broke for her when she finished outside the medals in 2012 and 2013 despite giving everything and making the races), I can't be the only one who notices these complaints always come from the same five or six English-speaking countries (I'm including Ireland) with an enduring animus towards Russia. How hard is it to get others from Africa, Asia, South America and continental Europe on their side? It would certainly earn them much needed (and deserved) credibility.

But the thing is, WADA is run by Anglo-Saxons and it still let them down. The IAAF is run by Anglo-Saxons, as is the AIU and a bunch of other powerful sports bodies. Which is why I'm rooting against them getting their hands on FIFA and the IOC.

Africa has it's own problems especially with Kenya. Supposedly the World's greatest runners, gifted athletes, altitude natives and all that rhetoric are testing positive left & right. I'm still shock at some of the big names; Kiprop, Jebett, Jepchumba, Bett. The Kenyans, of all athletes, doping!...unbelievable!

And now Bett is blaming his management team for his doping problems. Denies using EPO - has no idea what's going on, geez...imagine that. Lol. The report also mentions that EPO use is increasing with mid-level runners in Kenya and there could be a half-dozen more cases under consideration? Again...un-freaking- believable! What hell is going on with your countrymen over there El K? Totally embarrassing!

The information I have about doping (and it comes from coaches, athletes, anti-doping officials and from what I have read) is that doping is no longer confined to elite or professional levels, but has infiltrated seniors, amateurs and even schools. Some of this information is official and has been published. It almost always understates the situation, because so much of the data is limited. It is a concealed problem. I live in a country where I know of a local lawyer who has more than hundred cases on his books involving schoolboy rugby. That's just one sport. It won't be the only one. (The media appear to be completely unaware of this.) I have heard US college tennis players say that they have been given advice on doping by their coaches and trainers, so they can more successfully compete. I recently overheard two coaches at a local amateur junior track meet talking about a runner in the field they believed was doping on human growth hormone. Doping has become so widespread it completely distorts the competitive environment. How can we be confident the best today are "clean" - at any level or age-group? No performance now can be taken at face-value. I can easily believe how today's junior "prodigies" can outperform Olympic champions and world record holders from the past. Unfortunately, it is unlikely to be training and technique alone.

Numbers aren't as shocking when you consider Kenya has more elite distance runners than the rest of the world combined. Those half dozen are already up on the AIU site. Coevett giddily started a thread about them. That TV report is a couple of months old. But like I said, the cheats are being weeded out and we'll be seeing fewer and fewer positives from Kenyans.