ukathleticscoach wrote:
In the UK there is a whereabouts system where for one hour every single day you have to say in advance where you will be to be available for testing.
In theory, yes. In practice, one may choose to not open the door to the tester.
GoingToAGoGo wrote:
Let's get back on topic.
How low do you guys think the dude can go at the Abu Dhabi marathon in December,; 2:04, 2:03:30, 2:03 ?
Slower than that. I don"t think he is in great marathon shape now.
casual obsever wrote:
GoingToAGoGo wrote:
Let's get back on topic.
How low do you guys think the dude can go at the Abu Dhabi marathon in December,; 2:04, 2:03:30, 2:03 ?
Slower than that. I don"t think he is in great marathon shape now.
Half marathon breakthrough is not indicative of a great time in the marathon. If that was the case, Zersenay Tadese would be running 2:01 in the mary. True Kiptum ran 2:05 last year but at the time his half best was not fast. He probably might run 2:07.
Btw, if this guy ran a world record, what will the likes of Eric Kiptanui, Geoffrey Kamworor run? 57 mins? It is a well know secret that Kamworor is way better than all these guys but A LOT. I wish next year was a low key year but we have World Cross country and Iaaf world championships and the following year is the world half marathon championships and the Olympics followed in 2021 by World cross country and world championships in athletics. So we may have to wait until 2022 to get Kamworor attempt the half marathon world record . Unless Kamworor decides to go for that record in 2019 September/October after the world championships or if he skips the championships.
trollism wrote:
How Now Brown Cow wrote:
Yes!...there is now!
And how do we know that the wherabouts system is being enforced all the time there in the pristine UK? Huh?
In fairness, Kenya has only had facilities to test blood for a matter of weeks.
It hasn't really had enough time to take any effect. Oh, and there's still the option of hiding in the mountains when you're glowing.
As opposed to hiding behind faulty doorbells?
So we have a runner of nearly 30 that no one's heard much about, who's massively increased his best times recently and is now running off-the-planet. There is a depressing familiarity about this.
Armstronglivs wrote:
So we have a runner of nearly 30 that no one's heard much about, who's massively increased his best times recently and is now running off-the-planet. There is a depressing familiarity about this.
Difference being this particular runner is relatively new to the game and wasn't an also-ran the previous decade.
trollism wrote:
How Now Brown Cow wrote:
Yes!...there is now!
And how do we know that the wherabouts system is being enforced all the time there in the pristine UK? Huh?
In fairness, Kenya has only had facilities to test blood for a matter of weeks.
It hasn't really had enough time to take any effect. Oh, and there's still the option of hiding in the mountains when you're glowing.
Link please if you're telling the truth. Otherwise quit making stuff up because you don't like the Kenyans!
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So we have a runner of nearly 30 that no one's heard much about, who's massively increased his best times recently and is now running off-the-planet. There is a depressing familiarity about this.
Difference being this particular runner is relatively new to the game and wasn't an also-ran the previous decade.
+1 Exactly!
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Difference being this particular runner is relatively new to the game and wasn't an also-ran the previous decade.
+1 Exactly!
Wouldn't you think that if you are the best in the world at a given distance at 29 you (or a coach) would have noticed a gift like that rather earlier? Or are we to believe that all you have to do is train in Kenya and you will excel?
We'll wait and see. I suspect Adola withdrew from Frankfurt as he was handed a big appearance fee from Abu Dhabi. The time span between the announcement of the Abu Dhabi marathon and his withdrawal was rather short.
Also, i'm sure many guys will come to Abu Dhabi even though they already ran a fall marathon given the huge prize money, $100,000 1st place and a $100,000 bonus for an UAE all-comers record(2:04:00-Geremew-Dubai).
With $200,000 on the line + big appearance fees i think the elite field will have a depth similar to what we saw in Copenhagen Half. I expect around 30 elites with sub 2:10 bests and at least 7-10 with under 2:06.
I wonder what they would pay for a new record, maybe a $1,000,000 bonus.
Their primary sponsor the ADOC ( Abu Dhabi National Oil Company ) has a revenue of 68 billion dollars per year lol.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
+1 Exactly!
Wouldn't you think that if you are the best in the world at a given distance at 29 you (or a coach) would have noticed a gift like that rather earlier? Or are we to believe that all you have to do is train in Kenya and you will excel?
The gag is mostly aimed Mo, though I did notice that he ran well in the 2007 WCs final, so he did have some potential.
https://youtu.be/M9niR19uf3gNow That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
Difference being this particular runner is relatively new to the game and wasn't an also-ran the previous decade.
+1 Exactly!
+1 Well done.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:
+1 Exactly!
Wouldn't you think that if you are the best in the world at a given distance at 29 you (or a coach) would have noticed a gift like that rather earlier? Or are we to believe that all you have to do is train in Kenya and you will excel?
Yes...just look at the blazing times that historically have come out of that country; sub-13, sub-27 & sub-2:06 runners that come a dime a dozen. No one other than their neighbors to the North can keep up with them. Running at hypersonic speeds in Kenyan isn't the only thing...it's everything!
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The trajectory of Farah is not believable, although there is the possibility that Mo was not a very strong responder to heavy doping and the advances in testing brought everyone back to him, so to speak.
Kiptum’s trajectory is equally unbelievable, not matter how much you’d love to believe he was an unknown talent laboring away in some potato field in the middle of nowhere who just happened to be discovered by some shady European coach.
Spot Off wrote:
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The trajectory of Farah is not believable, although there is the possibility that Mo was not a very strong responder to heavy doping and the advances in testing brought everyone back to him, so to speak.
Kiptum’s trajectory is equally unbelievable, not matter how much you’d love to believe he was an unknown talent laboring away in some potato field in the middle of nowhere who just happened to be discovered by some shady European coach.
The trajectory of sport is not believable.
Spot Off wrote:
Kiptum’s trajectory is equally unbelievable, not matter how much you’d love to believe he was an unknown talent laboring away in some potato field in the middle of nowhere who just happened to be discovered by some shady European coach.
What's so unbelievable about it? A Kenyan runs very fast, geez....who would have thought. Lol.
And what if Renato says it's believable? Then what?
Armstronglivs wrote:
The trajectory of sport is not believable.
That's a very bold statement...so why?
Human physiology has not essentially changed in thousands of years, yet the relentless progress observable in professional sport suggests we have evolved as completely different beings in a little over half a century. Better training, technique, and nutrition can only partly explain it. Take distance running. The critical development was in recognising the importance of conditioning training (Lydiard) and then the value of altitude training. That occurred a good half.Yet even though athletes today are still training essentially the same way as they always have their performances make the athletes of
El Keniano wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So we have a runner of nearly 30 that no one's heard much about, who's massively increased his best times recently and is now running off-the-planet. There is a depressing familiarity about this.
Difference being this particular runner is relatively new to the game and wasn't an also-ran the previous decade.
El K if you buy that this dude is clean I got some ocean front property in Arizona for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioPa1URjZ_YInquiring minds want to know wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The trajectory of sport is not believable.
That's a very bold statement...so why?
I'm sorry but my comment above somehow posted itself before I had concluded writing it.
Human physiology hasn't essentially changed in thousands of years, yet the relentless progress observable in professional sport suggests we have evolved as completely different beings in a little over half a century. Better training, technique, and nutrition can only partly explain it. Take distance running. The critical development in the modern era was in recognising the importance of conditioning training (Lydiard) and then the value of altitude training. That occurred a good half century ago. Yet even though training methods have changed little since - most additions have been fine-tuning - performances today make the best of yesteryear seem little better than schoolboys. In fact, there are schoolboys today who could easily outrun quite recent former Olympic champions. Something else is also at work, which the experts say is at the level of a "pandemic", and which we glimpse every time we read of yet another failed blood test.