wolde wrote:
Slow twitch runners need longer recovery and probably not jogging, slow walk is better.
Not true. Slow twitch runners recover faster and build less H+ than fast twitch because their mitochondria mass is more and type 1 atheletes are generally not capable of producing and accumulating as much H+ as type 2 athletes.
otter wrote:
wolde wrote:
Slow twitch runners need longer recovery and probably not jogging, slow walk is better.
Not true. Slow twitch runners recover faster and build less H+ than fast twitch because their mitochondria mass is more and type 1 atheletes are generally not capable of producing and accumulating as much H+ as type 2 athletes.
That's a good explanation. I'm doing lactate threshold tests every year, and some participants struggle to get up to 4 mmol. Lactate doesn't cause fatigue itself, but highly correlates with fatigue by-products like H+ ions. I (heavily FT) usually get to 10 mmol in the mile-reps, and then finish with a 400 where I reach around 16.
This is all about muscle fibers - slowtwitch athletes simply don't have a strong anaerobic system to rely on and can't produce much lactate/H+ etc. That's also why they often get outkicked in races, they simply don't have the 400m speed and anaerobic capacity that's necessary to finish races strong.
It seems that people don't want to learn from the past. How many runners in the USA run 27:.../10k? How they train?
Portuguese and spanish systems were and are superior. In america everybody runs intervals (interval training, jog recovery), but who is running REPETITIONS? (Long and passive recoveries). They have different effects on the body and is too long to explain for people that doesn' t want to learn and understand.
Do you think that Mo Farah is running fast 1k repeats with 5' recovery (5x1k) for marathon with no purpouse? That's nonsense.
When your recovery is shorter than 3', is better to walk and when is longer is better to jog. So, you have to know when and why to use each one. You can't achieve 2 different things only using 1 training idea.
Difficult to understand but elite runners in Europe know how to use Repetition and Interval training differently.
Good luck!
Go to bed Antonio. You are drunk again.
wolde wrote:
Portuguese and spanish systems were and are far superior
Good luck!
Yes, because there are so many great runners coming out of that region now
wolde wrote:
It seems that people don't want to learn from the past. How many runners in the USA run 27:.../10k? How they train?
Portuguese and spanish systems were and are superior. In america everybody runs intervals (interval training, jog recovery), but who is running REPETITIONS? (Long and passive recoveries). They have different effects on the body and is too long to explain for people that doesn' t want to learn and understand.
Do you think that Mo Farah is running fast 1k repeats with 5' recovery (5x1k) for marathon with no purpouse? That's nonsense.
When your recovery is shorter than 3', is better to walk and when is longer is better to jog. So, you have to know when and why to use each one. You can't achieve 2 different things only using 1 training idea.
Difficult to understand but elite runners in Europe know how to use Repetition and Interval training differently.
Good luck!
Very interesting, can you go into further detail? Say a hypothetical 6 month period for a 35 min 10k runner who is slow twitch dominate?
Learn from all the good coaches and then create your own team workouts.
wolde wrote:
Read and learn about training history and methods, you will see that Antonio knows more than you think.
You are such a fan yet you still cannot tell us the date and race when Antonio allegedly ran his Portuguese National record for 1500m:
Quote from the Antonio Cabral's entry into the guest page of Bob Hodge's (American marathon running legend) website:
http://bobhodge.us/contact/"My running story is also a road running devoted story, but with more success than you in the tracks – I did 3:39,8 in 1975 (Portuguese rec. at that time")
Such a performance would be easy to find on any Track and Field stats page if it happened but you cannot find it because it never happened. It was just a huge BS lie that Antonio made up about himself. Just like his claims of being some sort of expert coach. No decent coach would make up such a BS lie.
trhterth wrote:
Cabral is a turd. Met him at a conference years ago. Arrogant turd who lies about his times and the times of his athletes.
Agreed. He is one of those "I am never wrong" types. No decent runner in Portugal goes near the guy and any that do quickly leave when it becomes obvious that that they are running much slower.
You can check the top 50 for each event here:
http://atletismo-estatistica.pt/sempre/absolutos-m/
There's no Antonio Cabral anywhere.
There is a Carlos Cabral (3:38.7) but this is Carlos Cabral:
https://www.forumscp.com/wiki/images/9/9f/Carlos_Cabral.jpg
and this is António Cabral (with Canova):
So yes, he lied about his 1500m time.
well,, wrote:
I can name 100s of coaches who have better results than Jack Daniels.
Maybe you can, but none of those will be Antonio who is towards the bottom of the barrel of the coaching spectrum.
And what happens if he didn´t tell the truth about his 1.500m time? Are you telling the truth here all the time with different nicknames? I don´t think so...
We are not debating about his running potential, we are sharing training ideas and systems for each type of runner. Read and analize interval training and repetition training because I think you don´t know the difference between those 2. After that, we can share how to use each one for different type of runners. Some type of runners need more interval training and others need more repetition training.
In america runners are afraid to take long rest between repetitions but doing that are limiting their potential. What´s more important, to run faster and achieve a greater stimulus or to limit the rest and run slower? That´s the secret, open your minds.
Example: -3x2000m/3´-4´ rest , easy walk -3x2000m/200m jog recovery
The first example will be faster than the second and thanks to the rest will be easier to recover in the next days, your hormonal and nervous system will absorb better.
Everyone here knows you are Antonio posting as wolde.
wolde wrote:
And what happens if he didn´t tell the truth about his 1.500m time? Are you telling the truth here all the time with different nicknames? I don´t think so...
We are not debating about his running potential, we are sharing training ideas and systems for each type of runner. Read and analize interval training and repetition training because I think you don´t know the difference between those 2. After that, we can share how to use each one for different type of runners. Some type of runners need more interval training and others need more repetition training.
In america runners are afraid to take long rest between repetitions but doing that are limiting their potential. What´s more important, to run faster and achieve a greater stimulus or to limit the rest and run slower? That´s the secret, open your minds.
Example: -3x2000m/3´-4´ rest , easy walk -3x2000m/200m jog recovery
The first example will be faster than the second and thanks to the rest will be easier to recover in the next days, your hormonal and nervous system will absorb better.
Very interesting, more info please.
Yeah, you are right. I'm 34 and not from portugal, so....difficult to know who I'm.
wolde wrote:
Yeah, you are right. I'm 34 and not from portugal, so....difficult to know who I'm.
And like everything else you have posted this makes no sense.
wolde wrote:
And what happens if he didn´t tell the truth about his 1.500m time? Are you telling the truth here all the time with different nicknames?
He lied when interviewed. Not writing anonymously here.
Do you want me to spell that out for in Portuguese, Cabral?
If you want to spell in portuguese.....is in your hands, I don't know one word in portuguese. Sorry.
wolde wrote:
Example: -3x2000m/3´-4´ rest , easy walk -3x2000m/200m jog recovery
The first example will be faster than the second and thanks to the rest will be easier to recover in the next days, your hormonal and nervous system will absorb better.
Sure, I agree with this. 200m jog intervals between 2000m repeats make no sense.
wolde wrote:
Do you think that Mo Farah is running fast 1k repeats with 5' recovery (5x1k) for marathon with no purpose?
Do you have more information? Where did you find this workout?
wolde wrote:
If you want to spell in portuguese.....is in your hands, I don't know one word in portuguese. Sorry.
"is in your hands" is a Portuguese expression, António.
É ridículo o que estás a fazer aqui.
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