Florida State women cc????

just an inquiring mind wrote:

From 2007 to 2014 under Coach Harvey the women cross country team won 7 ACC championships and finished in the top four nationally six times. Then Coach Harvey retires and FSU's program went down finish 7th,9th,9th in the darn conference. What the heck happened? Lack of funding? Something had to change as they went from a top national program to a very poor conference team in the span of like one or two years. Whats up with that?

Title IX has not only caused the elimination of many men's programs, but also many women's XC programs have been football "savers" which means many D-1 women XC teams (including FSU) have too many non-D-1 caliber runners to help offset the 100+ players on the school's football team.

As quantity increases, the quality decreases. Now the coaches of female XC teams must manage many runners, not focus on winning championships.

Sad, but true.

Basically the same with the University of Pittsburgh women's team, though they were never on the level of FSU women.

Coach Harvey > Coach Phillips

Period.

They are allowed to eat and treated as people now. Sure they were successful, but at what cost? They also choked many times at NCAAs showing that Harvey didn’t really have it down.

Weren’t treated as people?! Are you kidding? We’ve become so ridiculously tender that some clown says that on letsrun? Then claims that they choked many times at nationals. He moron, they were at ncaa and their choking was 10th in the nation, not ACC. If my daughter were good enough to run for a collegiate program, I would rather her run for a winning team - not for a coach that “treats them like people” - aka a coach that cant figure it out.

The training is soft now, the new coach doesn't push them like Harvey did

Coach Harvey knew how to find great talent, sometimes even unproven. She built a great program and developed many girls into elite talent. She has a number of past runners that are now pro. I heard she was very difficult to deal with, but obviously she had fantastic results.

Keep real going wrote:

Coach Harvey > Coach Phillips

Period.

Ditto. Coach Phillips doesn’t know how to coach.

Well, I don't see the need for name calling. I agree that today's generation of athletes are a bit "softer" than previous generations. But we are also a lot more aware of mental illnesses in our society. And one major one is eating disorders. If you have a coach who is promoting or at least not stopping the spread of an unhealthy relationship with food. Then you have a coach who is not treating their athletes as people. You know, with a life after running?

As far as choking, that is relative. A jv runner can choke, and not win a B heat. A great team that is a favorite to win NCAAs can choke and not make podium. Maybe the current coach doesn't have as much money, or she's not as good as a recruiter as Harvey. It's obvious they were better under Harvery, but as I stated before. At what cost?

Easy Answer wrote:

At what cost?

If nobody died, then it's an acceptable cost.