The U.S. should offer a 100 grand to any American that runs under 2:10 in the marathon

cancer, heart disease, diabetes wrote:

The US government should offer 100 grand to any American that reduces diabetics' blood sugar by 10%.

corporations can offer whatever amount of money to athletes that they feel the number of cameras viewing their logo justifies.

Corporations do offer money to runners. The price is low because lots of runners are willing to take it. Only the very top echelon make money that allows them to retire after a few years. The rest subsist in hopes that they will become one of the few. But eventually many Americans, who are used to having a comfortable life, move on to something else that actually provides that because those opportunities are available. This is really how capitalism works. In Kenya, there are few opportunities so making $10k in a road race is life changing. To an American, it is a good month.

The US Government is in bed with business and that is what dictates policy. Medical and Pharma companies dictate what Washington spends money on and the goal is to have an UNHEALTHY populace. These companies would NEVER allow the GubMint to give people incentives to be healthy. That would kill their revenue stream. They pay for politician's campaigns. They pay for ad campaigns to convince Americans that changing the healthcare system is evil. Without big money, politicians can't get elected. That perpetuates the cycle.

Clickbait-y intro gives it away, bro.

Source?

Data?

The US equivalent would be 800.000 $ offered by a US company for an American running faster than 2:04:58.

Charlesvdw wrote:

The US equivalent would be 800.000 $ offered by a US company for an American running faster than 2:05:38.

Fixed it.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Charlesvdw wrote:

The US equivalent would be 800.000 $ offered by a US company for a natural-born American running faster than 2:06:07.

Fixed it.

Fixed it.

yes, give a candy bar to the sub 2:10 runners. brilliant.

I wonder if Japan would still pay out the 100M Yen if it was a Kenyan-Japanese or Ethiopian-Japanese transplant... hmm...

Jimmy21 said: but there (NOP) goal is not to win B level races. Its to win A level races.

my understanding is that the objective of NOP was the rather grand idea to, "improve the standard of American distance running." I don't personally think they have achieved that, and I don't think they have showered themselves with glory either. Nike probably expected their efforts to be appreciated by the runnerati but in this they have been disappointed and I fully expect that when Galen Rupp retires Saladbar will shuffle off into the long grass and the whole thing will be mothballed. an inglorious and expensive failure on many levels.

Also, sure, Suguru broke the Japanese national record but hes also part of NOP, so doesnt that make the point moot?

I don't think it does, because Suguru breaking the Japanese record doesn't improve the standard of American distance running. the last time an American set a world record on the track at a distance longer than 1 mile, was in 1965. Galen Rupp took a silver medal at the London Olympics, but before that the last American to win a medal at 10,000m was Billy Mills in 1964. that probably means your next medal winner's parents are currently six years old, and neither you or I will live to see it happen.

cheers.

This is it chief

Not a bad idea. But has to be at least 2:09:00. Frank Shorter and Bill Rodgers ran 2:10 and 2:09 over 40 years ago!

Think about it. The people who posted on this thread are actually allowed to vote?

If you want to throw money at the problem, start an elite training team just for marathoners. NAZ Elite, Bowerman, Hansons, etc. are good programs, but they do not have a lot of resources and only have a few marathoners in each program. Compare that to US Army's WCAP. They have a dozen Kenyan guys running together all the time. You really need a big group to get results out of marathon runners. With a big group, you can get more for your buck out of trainers and training facilities. And you have the effect of runners always challenging each other. The small training groups basically have one or two people training for a marathon. Everyone just goes with their proscribed times for workouts. It is too sterile and scientific.

How much of that $100K would you be willing to provide?

I think you missed my point, though my point may have not been clear. The OP said that someone should offer money to any American that can run under 2:10 and that nike spending millions on NOP was unnecessary because the Japanese just proved that the incentive worked. The incentive may have helped but suguru is the one that broke the record and he had millions spent on him with all the resources of NOP. Without NOP, the suguru would not have broken it

My other point was arguing that offering an incentive wouldnt do what NOP accomplished because it would get someone like parker Stinson to run sub 2:10. Thatd be cool, but it wouldnt accomplish what Galen rupp accomplished. A 2:09:5x Berlin runner might win CIM but he's not going to win Chicago, NY or BOSTON. NOPs objective was to win those types of races.

Kenenisa Anorexia wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

The best marathoners are the ones who are hungry as children, and grow up light, skinny and energy-efficient as adults - east Africans. The next best are the ones from cultures where they eat sparingly on purpose despite being wealthy - Japanese. The absolute worst are ones from wealthy countries where they eat like gluttons - Americans.

Data?

This is common knowledge, but here

calories/day: Eritrea 1590, ethiopia 1950, Kenya 2030, Japan 2800, USA 3750 (!!!)

And here you may compare the relative results of east Africans, Japanese and Americans, if you insist that it isn't also common knowledge

Never assume that I'm trolling! I lead with a bit of hype to weed out the bungholes who aren't qualified to discuss anything rationally, and then send them home devastated with obvious facts they can't counter.

The correlation is obvious and well documented, you'll have to argue there's no causation, i.e. skinny people aren't better marathoners. A weak position.

News flash: this country couldn't care less about distance running. It would be a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.

sub_3_is_the_goal wrote:

News flash: this country couldn't care less about distance running. It would be a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.

How would it be a waste of money? The U.S. has only had what? 10 men go under 2:10. This would be a safe bet.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The correlation is obvious and well documented, you'll have to argue there's no causation, i.e. skinny people aren't better marathoners. A weak position.

Thankfully correlation means nothing and the burden of proof for causation is yours. I say your diet-dependent long-term frame development theory has no evidence. Prove me wrong by showing a physical mechanism. Study the development of children in lab.

According to that map and logic, North Korea, Bolivia, and Angola could also produce great runners.