In Nairobi ...
https://twitter.com/JamesFitz501/status/1045192939419381760
For the TL;DR types, journalist Michelle Katami sums it up for you on this Twitter thread:
In Nairobi ...
https://twitter.com/JamesFitz501/status/1045192939419381760
For the TL;DR types, journalist Michelle Katami sums it up for you on this Twitter thread:
Kenyan rugby star Humphrey Kayange
WADA...aren't those the people that just ignored their own sanction roadmap in order to reinstate RUSADA and satisfy their IOC overlord$? I'm sure they will get to the bottom of this!
WADA? wrote:
WADA...aren't those the people that just ignored their own sanction roadmap in order to reinstate RUSADA and satisfy their IOC overlord$? I'm sure they will get to the bottom of this!
AIU, ADAK and athletes involved as well.
am i the only one who saw this? sorry rek, jon, and renato
thank you elK for being non biased, kenya has been on EPO for a long time, now their very own are showing the reality to the nay sayers and deniers
"Based on the substances detected, Kenyan athletes most commonly use nandrolone and EPO."
^ I think they mean the drugs of choice for Kenyan cheats are nandrolone and EPO rather than most Kenyan athletes are on nandrolone and EPO. Most important finding is, it's not systematic. So any solutions have to be tailored uniquely for Kenya.
https://twitter.com/AIU_Athletics/status/1045324309231808512
Bumping for other thread
https://web.facebook.com/1104647294/posts/10212465920618772/?_rdc=1&_rdr
This report, though much anticipated, isn’t getting as much traction here probably because it confirms that doping in Kenya is not systematic.
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/final_public_report_on_kenya.pdf
El Keniano wrote:
^ I think they mean the drugs of choice for Kenyan cheats are nandrolone and EPO rather than most Kenyan athletes are on nandrolone and EPO. Most important finding is, it's not systematic. So any solutions have to be tailored uniquely for Kenya.
The solution for a country like Kenya is fairly simple, jail time for anyone illegally giving/selling PEDs/prescription drugs.
Time raid some "training camps" and see how bad the problem really is.
El Keniano wrote:
This report, though much anticipated, isn’t getting as much traction here probably because it confirms that doping in Kenya is not systematic.
It's because it confirms what many of us have been saying for years, and you and others have been denying, now it's a case of ho hum tell us something we don't know.
It'll get more traction when more really high profile runners are pinged, take your pick on who those might be.
ADAK are extremely competent and transparent and have done a tremendous job since they were formed two years ago. They're completely changing the landscape in Kenya and I predicted in another thread that the Kenyan model will be the standard adopted by other countries in Africa and beyond. The CEO Japhter Rugut, is always in the media educating Kenyans and recently had a revealing Q&A with the Daily Nation touching on some of the same questions often asked on these boards.
Even this account, which I know posts here, agrees (FWIW, it's definitely not Coevett)
https://twitter.com/cleans_letsrun/status/1043812374820655105
AIU
https://twitter.com/AIU_Athletics/status/1045946296912236544
ADAK CEO Q&A:
ADAK Twitter account:
El Keniano wrote:
WADA? wrote:
WADA...aren't those the people that just ignored their own sanction roadmap in order to reinstate RUSADA and satisfy their IOC overlord$? I'm sure they will get to the bottom of this!
AIU, ADAK and athletes involved as well.
all not to be trusted . these people are ruining sport for africa.
Sanction list:
@El Keniano
In your interpretation of the report you confuse "systematic" with "systemic". It is not the latter - in the sense that it involved institutions, as in Russia and the former E Bloc - which is what I think you mean - but it is certainly the former when it is practised to the degree that has been identified. The alternative term that could be used is that a culture of doping has arisen. It is this that any corrective anti-doping measures needs to address.
El Keniano wrote:
This report, though much anticipated, isn’t getting as much traction here probably because it confirms that doping in Kenya is not systematic.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1070446/wada-report-outlines-several-concerns-but-finds-no-evidence-of-institutionalised-doping-in-kenyahttps://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/final_public_report_on_kenya.pdf
El Keniano,
I am imagining Trollism and Coevett snarling like underfed mongrels.
NativeSon wrote:
El Keniano,
I am imagining Trollism and Coevett snarling like underfed mongrels.
Imagine all you like, as mentioned above it's all ho hum to them too, including tell us something we don't know. I don't see their monikers on this thread anywhere so I'm imagining they're calmly sitting back gloating with a satisfied all knowing look on their face. Just wait till more really big names start coming out though.
Apology accepted. Of course the use of nandolone and EPO is not new -- it was well known from the history of doping busts. Nor is the finding that Kenyans dope, even some of the top Kenyans. Nor is the finding that doping is unsophisticated, uncoordinated, and un-institutionalized, and that athletes are insufficiently educated on doping. I saw from the BBC article that 138 Kenyans have been busted since 2004, or ~10 per year. This seems to be about the same rate as the 50-60 busts figure that has been often highlighted in the press since around 2012. We also see (and already knew) that many of these busts where for the steroid nandrolone, an indication of the unsophisticated nature of Kenyan doping for the most part, for taking an easily detectable steroid. Probably most disappointing is this: "The benefits of the “substantial assistance” provisions of the World Anti-Doping Code (Code) are vastly underutilized by Kenyan athletes who are caught for doping." With some athlete "assistance", the doping problem could be addressed more quickly and effectively. I recall the experience of Matthew Kisorio, who was cooperating with the authorities, and was even interviewed by Hajo Seppelt. Yet, has this question ever been answered: who doped Kisorio? The finding of unsophisticated doping suggests against doping directly coming from a professional organization, like the Rosas, who presumably would not be unsophisticated enough to let this half-marathon star be flagged for norandrosterone, metabolite of nandrolone, (not to mention 4 or 5 other high profile busts). Hajo Seppelt has done 6 or 7 documentaries on Kenyan doping -- surely he can say more than he has on doping in elite circles.
m!ndweak wrote:
am i the only one who saw this? sorry rek, jon, and renato
thank you elK for being non biased, kenya has been on EPO for a long time, now their very own are showing the reality to the nay sayers and deniers
"Based on the substances detected, Kenyan athletes most commonly use nandrolone and EPO."
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Strava thinks the London Marathon times improved 12 minutes last year thanks to supershoes
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts