No european countries in the commonwealth? What about the four countries that make up Britain. Plus some Channel Islands and Gibraltar? Among these minnows there may be enough quality 10k runners to match your USA talent
No european countries in the commonwealth? What about the four countries that make up Britain. Plus some Channel Islands and Gibraltar? Among these minnows there may be enough quality 10k runners to match your USA talent
Free your mind bro wrote:
Hill Run wrote:
Scorpion when you make such sweeping and bogus statements and present them as “facts” you come across as borderline insane.
Completely agree. Your posts on Ayana are noticeably worse than any of your other posts. Hate is clouding your mind..
No, let him continue. Always good for a belly laugh when it comes to Almaz Ayana. He was so stupid in his recent appraisal of Hill Run's posts about the knee surgery in Switzerland that he asserted it had to be an invention. I responded that only a fool wouldn't recognize the legitimacy, due to all the specifics that otherwise couldn't be known and certainly wouldn't be invented out of cloth.
Now we have official statement including mention of knee surgery in Switzerland. Whoops.
And it gets even better. Now he thinks the picture posted had to have been taken on exactly the same day it was posted. Sheer brilliance.
Loudmouth simpleton who finds a bias, isn't smart enough to let go, and takes it to extreme after extreme, steadily making a caricature of himself. Very familiar.
Dude. You brought up race, I didn't.
And all the banned Kenyans are effectively done because of Kenya's insane production line. Miss a couple of years and you get replaced by some upstart from some obscure village school. Justin Gatlin, on the other hand, came back even better and dethroned the sport's biggest star.
You skirted the question, by the way.
All this doesn't beat his "eye test" for who's doping. "If I like you, you're fine". Let's trust his scientific gut. This whilst championing Ajee Wilson who literally failed a test.
When I refer to “European countries” I’m referencing the continental European countries - obviously not the UK without whom the Commonwealth wouldn’t exist. - And I am not American. I’m a New Zealander living in Wellington.
We know
Eeeyore wrote:
Drugged-up donkey lays low.
That is offensive.
To Donkeys
Eeeyore wrote:
Drugged-up donkey lays low.
This.....
Well said Subway. Well said.
Americans don't dope. They only eat bad meat!!!
How many have pulled that excuse so far?
Give me a break.
Hffgv wrote:
epo-almaz wrote:
No, just those breaking 23 year old world records at the olympics held by self admitted super doper Wang Junxia.
Yea??!
What do you have to say to the fact that in that race, besides Ayana’s WR, 18 runners had a PB with in them 7 NR an AR (of your mistress huddle), Cheruiyot was only 1 sec away from that Chinese WR, and Dibaba who used to run many 10k races also had a PB of 29:42? They were all doped too?
That makes your argument a bit weak, not to say stupid.
You might want to open your eyes every once in awhile. If you are in an Olympic final, chances are high you are doped. Take the women's 1500 in London for example, 6 of the top 9 have been busted for doping. In Ethiopia you can buy epo at the pharmacy no questions asked across the street from to the national stadium. Jama Aden caught with a boat load of epo and steroids in Spain... If you are not even a little suspicious of Ayana then you have your head in the sand or are blinded by nationalism.
Huddle nearly gets lapped in a 10000, Aaaand gets accused of doping.... that is comedically rich even for these ridiculous clownboards!
Anthos wrote:
Americans don't dope. They only eat bad meat!!!
How many have pulled that excuse so far?
Give me a break.
At least we don't use the doorbell excuse.
If you look at that athletics integrity list of recent suspensions, you see that Russia's doping program involved everyone, that Ukraine and Belarus (whose athletics is headed by a guy caught doping at least three times, though CAS overturned two of them somehow) have terrible doping problems, and that Kenya has the worst known doping program outside of the former Soviet Bloc. Ethiopia remains under the radar because little or no testing goes on in country.
I was trying to post yesterday about Almaz Ayana. This is someone who is represented by, guess who?, yes, Jos Hermens, like Bekele and Beatrice. Ayana was a mediocre steepler for years (best of 9:22), before shifting to 3k/5k and being almost immediately great. After running times like 9:22/9:27 as her best times of the year in the steeple a few times, she ran 14:25. She had been an 8:40s 3k runner. Then she runs 14:12. I believe that her doping began in May-June 2013, between yet another mediocre steeple and that great 5000m race in July 2013.
She was born in November 1991. In 2009, she ran a 10: 03 steeple, in 2010 at almost 19, she ran 9:22 steeple, then at close to age 20 was an 8:53 3k runner (in Rabat) and 15:12 5000m, like a good American collegian maybe, then in Germany in 2012, close to age 21, ran 8:49 3k, still slower than Hasay in or just after college, and she ran 14:58 in Brussels, solid but still 46 seconds off the world record and even at the time about 14 seconds off the American record, a second under what Jenny Simpson ran. In 2013, short of her 22nd birthday, she ran 8:44 in Dakar. However, conditions may have been difficult, and she ran 14:25 in Paris in July. Obviously after a few years she then ran 14:12 and 29:17, which are comparable performances. But the 29:17 was in warm conditions and she ran 14:47 for the first half, already good for an astonishing time, and then 14:30 for the second half. There is no way in my mind that this athlete is clean.
From a 538 article in 2016 after the 10k:
"I asked Ross Tucker, a professor of exercise physiology at the University of the Free State in South Africa, about his impressions of the record. By email, he said: “Who knows. You can’t condemn an athlete as a doper based on a stopwatch alone, wouldn’t be fair. However, the context matters — we know that Ethiopia have a nonexistent testing programme, and that they warn athletes when testers are coming for samples.”
Tucker said that while Ayana broke the 10K record by a similar margin as other world records falling this summer, this is different because of the tainted nature of Wang’s previously untouchable mark.
Earlier this year, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) threatened to ban Ethiopia from international track competition because of substandard testing. The country suspended three runners in March of this year while investigating three others, with an undisclosed number being investigated separately by IAAF. It was required to test between 150 and 200 athletes by November — notably after the Olympics — and improve its testing facilities, which received a rating of “zero” from WADA."
Who are you in real life? I would like to know. Thank you for providing such great information, and thank you for your clear, direct, thorough honesty. This is what running is about, doing the research and acknowledging what is real and what isn't.
I will try to remember your user name. True knowledge of track and field.
Are you people retarded?
Ayana wasn’t the only one running a very fast 10k in Rio that day. 18 PB were there and many NR. If Ayana was the only one to run fast that race, you might had an argument, but Cheruiyot ran 1 sec away from the Chinese, was she doped too? Dibaba running a PB- doped too? Huddle running an AR- doped too?
You people are stupid.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Now you're reaching out to a man who stated that EPO does not work ( specifically on Kenyans), even though Kenyan runners are testing positive for EPO left and right?
If you'd had working brain you'd have been able to read what exactly Renato said and then you would maybe be able to comprehend that he never said that EPO doesn't work on Kenyans.
He said that EPO will not give any benefit to TOP WORLD class MARATHONERS that train in ALTITUDE because they already have high enough HCT that any additional increase would not lead to big enough increase in oxygen transport versus the costs of transportorting blood of such high viscosity. It is so because marathon is almost purely aerobic event where oxygen transport is never the biggest problem. So please understand that you can't just increase HCT indefinately without impacting other biomechanical markers. Like all things at some point you reach point where biomechanical cost of increasing extra HCT is bigger than the return it gives. And Renato said plainly that these top level marathoners are completely different animals that are already developed to maximum of human limitations. You can't just inject EPO and wait for WR, that doesn't work like that.
I'm sorry that such stupid people are allowed even to reply to Renato.
I am one of those who usually defends athletes from doping accusations simply because they produced a great performance. I am not saying Ayana is dirty, but you would have to be extremely naive to not be suspicious. At the 2016 Rio Olympics, Ayana literally looked like she could have run sub-29 10,000 if she was pushed. It was an otherworldly performance that in this day and age we can't simply applaud. Also, I find it interesting that like Gezbebe from a couple of years ago, the Ethiopian celebration of Ayana's accomplishments was very muted. I suspect there are suspicions about her in Ethiopia.
Ha, ha, - Scorpion all the above is readily available to anyone with the internet and a computer, it has simply been presented in a fashion to attempt a negative slant. No “true knowledge of track and field” required. Plenty of information has been glossed over and omitted in the attempt to present timeline support for a designated narrative. -For example Look at Hellen Obiris recent winning times over the 5k at the African champs in Nigeriathis year, her winning time was 15.47 this is a full 1.20 slower than she runs in international DL events. Historically all female distance events run only by Africans within the context of African champs are slow. So using this information in this context one could discredit any female distance athlete from Africa in terms of time disparity. - Times at meets within Africa, featuring only athletes from countries comprising the African continent are slower than the same athletes running in full international events.
Why such disdain for Ayana. If she is on drugs do you think she was the lone 5000m or 10000m participant from the 2016 Olympucs and 2017 Worlds on drugs? Come on now if noone is is guilty then neither is Ayana.
Please remember innocent until proven guilty.