Last sub 2:10 was in April 2009 (2:09:53) by Ruggero Pertile.
Before that, they had Baldini, Di Cecco, Caimmi, Pertile... all of them under 2:10
It seems like:
-There's no big incentive to improve for the Italian runners between 2:12/2:15.
-Lack of coaching in Italy? (Canova, Rosas, etc are based in East Africa)
-They have bad results in other sports also. In soccer, they didn't even qualify to the World Cup.
-Economy in the country?
Discuss.
All the best doctors moved to east Africa.
So why athletes don't move to East Africa then?
Robertsons did that, and see the results...
Most likely related to the moral breakdown and evil corruption infecting Italian politics and the Roman Catholic church.
M.A.G.A.
S.O.W.P.
D.D.M.P.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
So why athletes don't move to East Africa then?
Robertsons did that, and see the results...
Most runner's don't have the balls to do that.
They're more into cycling and football ⚽. If they spent there energy, time and money into running instead of there main sports I guarantee that they would have more sub 2:10 runners.
Um, ever heard of Canada?
Cyclist nation wrote:
They're more into cycling and football ⚽. If they spent there energy, time and money into running instead of there main sports I guarantee that they would have more sub 2:10 runners.
This is true. Running isn’t as big in Italy as it is in, say, Spain. This can be seen in the number of events such as road races and the amount of public support. Comparing Monday morning front pages, most of the biggest Spanish papers featured Kipchoge somehow because the public understand the magnitude of that achievement despite currently not having any current big time runners of their own. Running remains one of the biggest participatory sport in Spain. Italian running, on the other hand, is dead.
Monday morning papers, Italy.
http://en.kiosko.net/it/2018-09-17/Monday morning papers, Spain.
http://en.kiosko.net/es/2018-09-17/The entire world attempted to develop their best 10.3 to 10.5 100m men until Bob Hayes sprinted 10.06 at 1964 Olympics. For twenty more years, the world pretended to care about 100m. Last weekend the world saw what real Marathon running looks like in Berlin. The Marathon champ, W.C., Olympics and Big Six will come from Tanzania, Ethiopia or Kenya. The world, including Italy now competes at distances 200m to 1500m.
I do find it ironic that Renato Canova isn't couching runners to get under 2:10 from his own country. It is a bit suspicious to me. I guess he would be catched in Europe
They do have a 21 year old who ran 27:44 (Crippa) in the 10000 so maybe there is help on the way
They do however have the best young talent (Tortu) coming up in the 100 meters. They may be winning some medals there in a few years.
douglas burke wrote:
They do have a 21 year old who ran 27:44 (Crippa) in the 10000 so maybe there is help on the way
Yes, and Chiappinelli the Steeplechaser (8:27), but they're imported from Ethiopia (Italian colony in the first half of the 20th century.
I was talking about marathoners, but in addition to that, they don't have depth in middle distance track events. In the 80s/90s they had Cova, Genni Di Napoli, Antibo, Mei, Lambruschini, Panetta, Longo, Ortis, Fava, Fiasconaro, etc...
Italy has extremely thorough doping regulations. Thus why Canova is in East Africa...well, until he get caught...then he retreats to China until he can work out a bribe
What's the longest the US has ever gone without someone breaking 2:10?
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
What's the longest the US has ever gone without someone breaking 2:10?
Good question. Depends if you want to do the "American Born" thing and if you want to consider "eligible" courses (not aided Bostons) From what I see, with no constraints, somewhere around 5 years.
1989 - Ken Martin - NYC - 2:09:38
1994 - Bob Kempainen - Boston - 2:08:47
Even if you say American Born and only eligible courses, it's about 5 years.
2002 - Alan Culpepper - Chicago - 2:09:41
2007 - Ryan Hall - London - 2:08:24
1776 until the first one was a long time.
Because it is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE to be caught doping in ITALY! You go to jail! Italy was the most sophisticated doping country in the world for 20 years and trained doctors just to do research on doping and human performance.
You get caught doping in Italy (regardless of what your nationality is) and you are likely going to jail. It is that simple. They got serious and now are in the dark ages of endurance sports. This tells you A LOT about where endurance sports are in terms of doping. Any athlete running sub 2:05 in the marathon or sub 13:00 in the 5k and sub 27:00 in the 10k is doping. Really that simple. It is all a lie!
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5044688
In the 80s and 90s, Italy was globally dominant in running, cycling, cross country skiing and many other sports. They were the masters. Then, the Dutch and the Germans followed. Even Dr. Michele Ferrari use to publish his doping studies in peer reviewed medical journals. These guys took it to a whole new level and now, DARK AGES. Good for them.
Lance Armstrong didn't even visit Italy from 2000-2008 because he knew that they would arrest him. Everyone in endurance sports starting leaving Italy after 2000. You just DID not mess with the Italian on this issue.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
What's the longest the US has ever gone without someone breaking 2:10?
About 200 years.
ITALIAN DOCTOR HERE wrote:
All the best doctors moved to east Africa.
Too much linguini.