The American record in the half is 59:43. Kenya has random guys in the half running 58 high, 59 low

podcast is here and chart on guys in Copenhagen: http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/09/world-half-marathon-marathon-records-fall-sunday-copenhagen-berlin/

It has to do with their training.

wejo wrote:

Yes there are drugs, but I don't think it's that simple.

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I think it is that simple.

You see how many dudes are tagging along when Kipchoge is running 1K repeats? It's about all day on the track like that, there. And that's not the only track. It's like baseball in some countries not the US. Yes, there are drugs, but there are drugs here, too.

Running fast is money. That's not a mystery. There is no conspiracy here.

Some horses are only fast for a few months.

Okey, I don't know if this podcast was done on different equipment, as you said it was done in a coworking space, but I've complained about the sound quality before and it's still pretty terrible. You're huffing and puffing in the mic. It's like you're recording outside. Fix it!

Yes they do "proper training"

To the intelligent, the answer is obvious. It is a recipe of genetics, lifestyle, culture and perhaps the cherry on top at times is drugs. Many say drugs because they are averse to the rigorous training. Even the drug users train hard.

wejo wrote:

Jorum Lumbasi Okombo KEN 20 years old 58.48 4th at RAK this year. 18th at World Half but 58:48 for 2nd last year. No results prior to last year

Mangata Ndiwa KEN 59.07 30 years old, ran 13:05 in 2009 and then no results from 2010-2015. 3rd at African 5k in 2016 and 59:07 for 2nd in Italy this year in debut

Daniel Kipchumba Ken 59:06 21 yrs old Results show up in 2016 for him. He was steepling (8:30) and then runs 59:06 to defeats Ndiwa in only half this year

Not to mention Erick Kiptanui who is 28 and had no results until 2016 (he ran 3:37 that year at altitude). This year he ran 58:42 in his 2nd half. He's 2 for 2 in his life at the half. Perhaps I'll reach out to Canova to see what Kiptauni did before 2016. I just can't believe a guy runs 3:37 in his first year at 26.

Forget the 100m, shot put or the middle distances, the half is now the dirtiest event. Are any in the testing pool? If any are, what are their rates of improvement since?

Those high 58 low 59 no names are also faster than Kipchoge, Bekele, and Farah. Gee..i wonder..

It's weird to think that when Ryan Hall ran the 59:43, the ARRS recognized world record was only 59:07

Reith wrote:

To the intelligent, the answer is obvious. It is a recipe of genetics, lifestyle, culture and perhaps the cherry on top at times is drugs. Many say drugs because they are averse to the rigorous training. Even the drug users train hard.

This, while yes drugs are what push them to the next level they bust their arses.

All these guys coming out of the woodwork to run insanely fast times and not show up to majors or big races that test doesnt' impress me. It's funny how everyone points out that Rupps 2:06 time in the scope of things is like 175th in Marathon times ever run but he was 3rd in the Olympics - that's because the 100+ guys ahead of him who doped don't want to show up to races that are willing to test.

Reith wrote:

To the intelligent, the answer is obvious. It is a recipe of genetics, lifestyle, culture and perhaps the cherry on top at times is drugs.

Genetics has nothing to do with it. The genes to run a 26:44 10,000 world lead in 2014 don't just accidentally appear at a small private school where a nike-backed coach is looking for a recruit.

Top elite distance runners run the gamut of tall to short, good sprinters and bad, and all manner of gait. The one thing they have in common is they're skinny, and there's no gene for that. If you fed Hulk Hogan's kids as sparingly as east Africans eat, they might still end up more than 6 feet tall, but they wouldn't weigh half as much as him.

Open challenge to "genetics" people: which ones? The human genome has been mapped. Name the distance-running genes.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Reith wrote:

To the intelligent, the answer is obvious. It is a recipe of genetics, lifestyle, culture and perhaps the cherry on top at times is drugs.

Genetics has nothing to do with it. The genes to run a 26:44 10,000 world lead in 2014 don't just accidentally appear at a small private school where a nike-backed coach is looking for a recruit.

Top elite distance runners run the gamut of tall to short, good sprinters and bad, and all manner of gait. The one thing they have in common is they're skinny, and there's no gene for that. If you fed Hulk Hogan's kids as sparingly as east Africans eat, they might still end up more than 6 feet tall, but they wouldn't weigh half as much as him.

Open challenge to "genetics" people: which ones? The human genome has been mapped. Name the distance-running genes.

Wow are you obtuse...I suppose you will argue that genetics plays no role in intelligence. I would advise you to educate yourself, but that will not fully mitigate your stupidity.

WHAT??? GENETICS HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IQ??? THAT IS SO RACIST!!!

Absolutely right. There is nothing more trainable than distance running, and it helps enormously if you can train at altitude on dirt roads with very good motivated runners on hard training schedules. Kenyans have a great setup, a large population of highly motivated, driven athletes working very hard together, and with coaches ready to give them very tough training at 8k feet. But when mediocre track runners or runners with no other times run 58-59 in the half, that would just not happen without drugs. These guys are fungible to the agents. Get some money out of road races that don't test and then go for the next guy. Kenya would be a world distance power without drugs. With them, Kenya dominates all over the place, and Ethiopia with drugs sets world records and often dominates track races.

Let me get this straight, you're saying that tiny little men, from the same corner of the world, all with perfect physical attributes for running long distances are running really fast in long distance running events? Damn.

Perspective alert: None of these runners are coming from "out of nowhere". They are coming from the epicenter of long distance running.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Reith wrote:

To the intelligent, the answer is obvious. It is a recipe of genetics, lifestyle, culture and perhaps the cherry on top at times is drugs.

Genetics has nothing to do with it.

Open challenge to "genetics" people: which ones? The human genome has been mapped. Name the distance-running genes.

The Ethiopian altitude adaptation genes are well documented. Moran.

Concentration Camp survivors did not dominate wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Genetics has nothing to do with it.

Open challenge to "genetics" people: which ones? The human genome has been mapped. Name the distance-running genes.

The Ethiopian altitude adaptation genes are well documented. Moran.

Lol.