Galen Rupp OUT of this weekend's Copenhagen half marathon

Blahgat wrote:

Problo wrote:

Lagat has a much better resume and their head to head tally isn’t even remotely close.

You mean A-sample Lagat? His resume may be better only if his times for running for Kenya are included.

As a distance runner, it's not even close from 5000 to marathon. Rupp trounces the Kenyan-American.

head to head? You mean 30 year old Lagat was beating 19 year old Rupp. Wow. That's stupendous!

Where is Lagat challenging Rupp now...when Rupp is in his prime?

The A sample was confirmed negative - you may want to do some research.

Lagat has 5 world championship GOLDS for the USA. It’s not even close.

no?record wrote:

Anyone have any information on the real tragedy, that Erick Kiptanui will not be running? If true then the chance for a WR has been decimated.

I hope the rumours are not true. I am a great fan of the great coach Renato Canova. He has produced more World Records and more World champions and Olympics champions than any coach in history. He is simply the best coach ever and that not just on the roads(thons) but also on the track(Ronald Kwemoi, Sayeed Shaheen, Caleb Ndiku). There is however a downside trend I have observed. A good number of his athletes or athletes using his programs have succumbed to injuries, sometimes career-injuries. Don't get me wrong. Coach Canova means well and has done a lot for many young Africans. The problem maybe that his workouts which emphasize quality and intensity is responsible for the injuries affecting these athletes. If you don't agree with me, where is Ndiku, Ronald Kwemoi. Moses Mosop, who ran 2:03:06 on his debut in Boston in 2011 was done by 2013 though he came back and ran a 2:06 in 2015 before going away for good. Also 2010 World half marathon champion Wilson Kiprop among others disappeared in his prime and when we expected him to carry his stellar half marathon success to the marathons. I notice that this affects mostly men. Florence Kiplagat though her performance has gone down a bit, is still active and no injuries have been report nor has she cancelled a race due to injuries. Abel Kirui also seems immune because he has actually overcome injuries and looks to be getting better than ever. My hope is that this young man Eric Kiptanui is not headed in the same direction. Perhaps reducing intensity by a fraction would help deal with this problem.

Problo wrote:

Blahgat wrote:

You mean A-sample Lagat? His resume may be better only if his times for running for Kenya are included.

As a distance runner, it's not even close from 5000 to marathon. Rupp trounces the Kenyan-American.

head to head? You mean 30 year old Lagat was beating 19 year old Rupp. Wow. That's stupendous!

Where is Lagat challenging Rupp now...when Rupp is in his prime?

The A sample was confirmed negative - you may want to do some research.

Lagat has 5 world championship GOLDS for the USA. It’s not even close.

What probably happened at the 2004 Olympic testing lab:

Scientist one: Don't forget to swap the samples of Lagat with clean ones.

Scientist two: Will do boss. *phone rings* (he forgets to swap both samples)

what actually happened was wrote:

Problo wrote:

The A sample was confirmed negative - you may want to do some research.

Lagat has 5 world championship GOLDS for the USA. It’s not even close.

What probably happened at the 2004 Olympic testing lab:

Scientist one: Don't forget to swap the samples of Lagat with clean ones.

Scientist two: Will do boss. *phone rings* (he forgets to swap both samples)

Russia was in charge of the lab that year

what i wish happened was wrote:

The narrative I want to create at the 2004 Olympic testing lab:

Scientist one: Don't forget to swap the samples of Lagat with clean ones.

Scientist two: Will do boss. *phone rings* (he forgets to swap both samples)

That's strange, because the false positive was in 2003.

ENRIQUE KEEPTANOEI wrote:

no?record wrote:

Anyone have any information on the real tragedy, that Erick Kiptanui will not be running? If true then the chance for a WR has been decimated.

I hope the rumours are not true.

Kiptanui is officially off, check out the elite entrants list.

The trend with Canova athletes is very evident, they usually make a great breakthrough then start fading.

Blahgat said: head to head? You mean 30 year old Lagat was beating 19 year old Rupp. Wow. That's stupendous!

head to head - Galen Rupp (USA) vs Bernard Lagat (USA)

1 mile Galen Rupp 0 - 1 Bernard Lagat

3000m Galen Rupp 0 - 5 Bernard Lagat

5000m Galen Rupp 2 - 7 Bernard Lagat

they first met at the Wanamaker Mile in 2008, when Rupp was 22-years-old, Lagat was 34. their last race was in Mar 2016 by which time Rupp was 32 and Lagat was 44. make of that what you will, but:

a. 22 - 32 is prime middle-distance racing years

b. when Rupp was 19, Bernard Lagat was still a Kenyan citizen and their first race was three years in the future.

I'm a fan of Galen Rupp and am disappointed he is not running Copenhagen, but his record against Lagat is poor. he is, though, 2 - 0 against Centro, which counts for something, I guess.

facts endure.

Smart move. This race will be too fast and too soon to Chicago, not to mention his achilles flare up. A good 20 to 30k effort back at home will be sufficient.

Burnout wrote:

Kiptanui is officially off, check out the elite entrants list.

The trend with Canova athletes is very evident, they usually make a great breakthrough then start fading.

His training is no joke with many unable to even last a week but those few( approx. 5%) who manage to finish his full training schedule perform at almost superhuman level for up to two season at the most. That is a high rate of burnout.

codaayyee wrote:

Smart move. This race will be too fast and too soon to Chicago, not to mention his achilles flare up. A good 20 to 30k effort back at home will be sufficient.

+1

Farah has made his move, Galen will keep his best effort for Chicago and will outkick SloMo and LRC haters.

PS2 wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

FYI, just heard back from Rupp/Hasay's agent Ricky Simms. Here's what he had to say:

"Galen has some soreness in his Achilles in Tilburg and decided it was better to return home to the US and continue training rather than stay in Europe (he had originally planned to stay in Europe between Tilburg and Copenhagen). Jordan was going to join him in Europe but will just run a hard effort in training at home instead."

I bet ya Jordan is having problems. She's been quiet lately.

How much do you want to bet?

How can I watch the race this weekend (besides going to Copenhagen for all the smart&$$es on this site)?

m!ndweak wrote:

the phantom injury isnt there....he was supposed to run much faster in that 10miler than he did, and albert is pulling the plug. no way does he want rup to pull a 2:08-09 against mo at chicago.

prediction:

goes to chi town, goes with the leaders for 15K or so, and then drops out, and claims the whole achillies nagging injury flared up. this way he gets his appearance fee, and doest lose face for going home devastated. imagine the flack on here when its a 2:08 high, and imagine mo running 2:04-5 and being in the top 3 and ruppy poop settling for 5th or so. nike would be pissed, LR would be in a riot, and rupp would lose all his marathon earning power.

+1

The tickers wrote:

Five is the magic number wrote:

Nike stock has dropped down on it's knees hard over the last week so they probably can't take the risk of hurting Galen's NOP white posterboy image too by risking him finishing outside top 10 right now, which is a real risk in the Copenhagen field as it still stands.

I'm sure they've contracted enough of the other top guys to be able to claim Vaporfly success from at least a bunch op PBs instead, with the possibility of having the winner and/or a WR on top of that minimum.

Nike stock is up over the last week, dummy.

Nike online sales is up something like 30%. But their online sales are only about 6% of their total sales. So maybe like up to 8% of the total now. In store sales (the other 92-94%) up or down are unknown at this time. New orders for in store sales unknown too. Stock is down.

But yeah, if you live your life pretty much online like me we can agree it's easy to overestimate the point out of full context their sales department currently boosts to the media. ;-)

Gravy wrote:

Like i said before, those silly platform shoes will destroy his career.

⤴what do you use?

Five is the magic number wrote:

Nike stock has dropped down on it's knees hard over the last week so they probably can't take the risk of hurting Galen's NOP white posterboy image too by risking him finishing outside top 10 right now, which is a real risk in the Copenhagen field as it still stands.

1) Rupp couldn't make a dent - positive or negative - on Nike's stock if his life depended on it. Absolutely no one buys Nike gear because of what runners wear or how they perform.

2) Nike's stock is up to 82.5x from high 80/low 81 when the news broke. Urine idiot.

90s_low_mileage_training_log wrote:

wejo wrote:

Totally agree. I just don't get the guy posting Salazar has destroyed Rupp. Their success has been amazing. Question whether it's legit or not, but you can't question how good they've been.

Rupp could retire today and be the US Distance GOAT

3:50 mile- him and Centro basically have the same mile pr!!

Sub 13 5k

Sub 27 10k

2:06 marathon

2 Olympic medals- silver, bronze

Multiple National titles

Those statistics are STAGGERING!!

And no one will be talking about Rupp within a year of his retirement. His times are just a stain on US distance running.

brotown wrote:

Oh that would have some people quite upset.

Luckily, they're all too busy boycotting Nike to be paying attention.

This guy won't be sniffing Hasay in Denmark wrote:

Now Hasay is a DNS. Why? Because Rupp isn't going to run, so she can't?

Something smells in the NOP camp.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think Hasay isn't going because Salazar isn't going. I don't think it has anything to do with Hasay.

I think (and it's pure speculation) that given a choice of staying at home with Rupp or going with Hasay to Copenhagen, that Salazar would stay with Rupp. So either (1) Salazar persuaded/ordered Hasay to stay since he wasn't going to go or (2) Hasay figured on her own that she didn't want to go to Copenhagen by herself, or at least without her coach.