Cam Levins to make marathon debut at STWM

Yes, yes, oh my god!!! I'm literally yelling in joy!!!

According to his strava he did a 24 miler a couple weeks ago in 2:17. Final 4 miles were about 5:17 pace. Not sure how hard it was but he clearly has some fitness in his legs.

Makes me anxious to see the links to related articles at the bottom of the page. "Levins to run [2017] Toronto half" and "Levins withdraws from Toronto half."

Really hope he can hold it together for a sub-2:10.

How does a guy go from a 3:54 mile and 27:08 10km to no team and no sponsorship? Was his injury really that extreme? I feel bad for the guy.

Another Salazar burnout wrote:

How does a guy go from a 3:54 mile and 27:08 10km to no team and no sponsorship? Was his injury really that extreme? I feel bad for the guy.

Well he is sponsored by Hoka. But yes. I really hope the marathon goes well for him.

Another Salazar burnout wrote:

Was his injury really that extreme? I feel bad for the guy.

He was wearing Nike shoes at that point.

"More recently, he has been putting in big miles [ at altitude in Utah ] and believes he is in better shape than ever before. “Most days I am running about 20 to 30 miles (32-48K)” says Levins, “there have been a lot of good days. I am trusting my body and how it feels.” He adds that he is anxious about making his debut but feels comfortable and confident in how he is preparing. “More than anything, I am excited to do it [run the marathon] at this point, however it goes.”"

I'm thrilled about this. Cam is downplaying things....I think he is tired of talking things up and then experiencing setbacks. He said he will do a HM in Philly on Sep 16, then this Marathon is 5 weeks later.

I'd love to know what happened after a 1500/5000 double in the Spring. Seems that was the end of the track season that he was keen on doing. Maybe a setback which forced him into jogging, then Marathon training? Perhaps his ankle is still problematic in track spikes?

It's hard to believe that 2:10:08 is still the Canadian Record, from 1975. I'm sure Cam is aware of exactly what pace this is per km. :)

dunes runner wrote:

"More recently, he has been putting in big miles [ at altitude in Utah ] and believes he is in better shape than ever before. “Most days I am running about 20 to 30 miles (32-48K)” says Levins, “there have been a lot of good days. I am trusting my body and how it feels.” He adds that he is anxious about making his debut but feels comfortable and confident in how he is preparing. “More than anything, I am excited to do it [run the marathon] at this point, however it goes.”"

High mileage FTW, just need to stop being lazy and double my mileage so that I'm running Cam Levins 20-30 miles a day as opposed to my 10-15 miles a day.

He ran 1:02 in the spring?!?! I'd love to see him break 2:10.

How'd he break the injury streak? What shoes is he training in?

Missed It wrote:

How'd he break the injury streak? What shoes is he training in?

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude, was on the ultra, ultra high mile kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense in his head and his doing quality mileage, because he very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Missed It wrote:

How'd he break the injury streak? What shoes is he training in?

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude, was on the ultra, ultra high mile kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense in his head and his doing quality mileage, because he very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

sorry for the typos.

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude was on a ultra, ultra high mileage kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense into his head and is doing quality mileage, because he is very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude, was on the ultra, ultra high mile kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense in his head and his doing quality mileage, because he very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

sorry for the typos.

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude was on a ultra, ultra high mileage kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense into his head and is doing quality mileage, because he is very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

I thought he got injured in the fall at Canadian championships, was mis-diagnosed and untreated, and that was the source of everything....not the high mileage (which under AlSal I assume wasn't even that extreme in that period).

Yeah it doesn't seem clear at all that he's recovered from injury by cutting back his mileage. It looks to be the opposite: his injury problems peaked when he was training with AlSal and his daily miles were cut back. Now he's back running the kind of mileage he put in during college and he seems to be healthier.

His strava account must have been closed? Can’t locate

Er... wrote:

Yeah it doesn't seem clear at all that he's recovered from injury by cutting back his mileage. It looks to be the opposite: his injury problems peaked when he was training with AlSal and his daily miles were cut back. Now he's back running the kind of mileage he put in during college and he seems to be healthier.

Proves Lydiard right when he said, "No one will burn out doing aerobic running. It is too much anaerobic running, which the American scholastic athletic system tends to put young athletes through, that burns them out."

not my understanding wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

sorry for the typos.

He stopped trying to run 300 miles a week. Dude was on a ultra, ultra high mileage kick, which was leading to a lot of injuries.

He finally got some sense into his head and is doing quality mileage, because he is very, very talented.

Dude is actually more talented than Rupp, but rupp is smarter.

I thought he got injured in the fall at Canadian championships, was mis-diagnosed and untreated, and that was the source of everything....not the high mileage (which under AlSal I assume wasn't even that extreme in that period).

Never said he initially got injured that way. My statement was in response to the question of how he BROKE his injury streak, because he was still running crazy mileage after getting injured. He didn't back off the high mileage at the time.

But now he is training more sensible. At one point, he was running 3 times a freaking day, and was stubborn about it, which is one of the reasons he got dropped by Nike. Cam wasn't following advise or instructions that he was being given.

300 miles is an exaggeration of course, but he was actually running about 200 miles a week.

Er... wrote:

Yeah it doesn't seem clear at all that he's recovered from injury by cutting back his mileage. It looks to be the opposite: his injury problems peaked when he was training with AlSal and his daily miles were cut back. Now he's back running the kind of mileage he put in during college and he seems to be healthier.

And that was the battle. He was told to cut back on his mileage, but at times he would still do high mileage on his own. He wasn't doing everything that he was told to do at NOP.

Al was trying to build up his strength and keep his volume of running to a reasonable amount, but if you have a runner who is not following the program, and going off on his own at times, then something is going to give.....that is why he was having injury issues.

Here is an episode on driven, where he was still with Nike, right before he got dropped from nike ....and he was still doing stupid crap. you can tell he is kind of off, and is quite stubborn.