ah have you ever heard your president talk or twitter?
ah have you ever heard your president talk or twitter?
Yes. But at least in that case people get worked up about the things the most powerful man in America says. Here people are just getting worked up about the things a mediocre quarterback does and what an athletic brand is going to put on their over priced fabric.
rojo wrote:
Good post. If I was the NFL, I'd be irate. They had finally gotten people to basically get over and forget about the controvesy when one of the big sponsors throws it in their face.
What makes you think that they almost got people to forget about it? Outside of the M.A.G.A. circles people are highly critical of the NFL's new policy of forbidding a short, silent and peaceful protest before games.
Expect plenty of kneeling, fining, lawsuits, and union complaints this season -- and much more mainstream spectator exodus than they got from the Papa John Fringe.
guy with unsurprisingly offensive name wrote:
This isn't about police brutality Mr. Two Bits, it is about the rights of a private business to have it's employees do what they are legally and lawfully paid to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If they want to kneel, NOT one person is saying they can't. BUT you can't do it while being paid to do something other than you are there to do (lawfully).
ALL of you who don't understand this, are IDIOTS!
A few problems with your argument:
1. The private employer didn't tell the players that they couldn't kneel (until now). A small group of flag-waving "patriots" who do things like call black activists baboons are the ones who didn't want players to kneel.
2. The employer operates under a collective bargaining agreement with the Players Union.
3. The private employer has a PUBLIC anti-trust exemption that makes it impossible for players to find other private professional football employers that don't force them to stand at attention as a pledge of loyalty to the state on national television each week.
douglas burke wrote:
Big picture Bob wrote:
And being protected by cops while speaking at rally's, is ironic...
And wearing The Fidel Castro Shirt in Miami, If you know Miami with the huge Cuban Population kind of like wearing a Hitler Shirt in Israel, actually worse as my Psychologist said Hitler was like me and had a severe mental disorder which my psychologist said sadly led to him committing suicide, before he could get help and be a productive citizen, Fidel Castro on the other hand had nothing wrong with him, he was just a bad person, She said she sees me as being just like Hitler a good person who sometimes falls apart due to the mental illness.
Nice comparison for you.
I hope your shrink has you on a lot of meds.
Well, the reality is... wrote:
Or, possibly... wrote:
Listen to the actual message, not the one FoxNews, Breitbart, or President Asshat interprets for you.
Or, listen to the gun shots from Jamal's 9mm as they ring out in the direction of Andre... and then listen to CNN tell you it was the white cops fault.
Exactly the issue in america. Citizens who want to completely ignore the purpose of his protest and the story behind it. Instead making it about something completely different.
You young whippersnapper. I'll have you know I'm on my third pair of Medicare approved Hush Puppies (with the Velcro closure) since 1989!
Senior Power ♿ Right on!
You all should read the rebuttal from the Fraternal Order of Police:
“Colin Kaepernick and all Americans have the constitutional right to freely express their views, even if they are uninformed and inflammatory. Indeed, law enforcement officers have an obligation to defend these rights and we do so every day, even in those cases when the views expressed are hostile, hateful or offensive to the men and women of law enforcement.
“The Fraternal Order of Police has been called upon to boycott Nike for capitalizing on this former professional football player because he attracts controversy. In our experience, boycotts and similar exercises do not succeed and often serve only to enrich the company—which is not what we want to do. Our members and, for that matter, any American citizen, understands when the law enforcement profession is being insulted— we have no doubt they will make their purchases with that insult in mind..
“If Nike chooses to create an ad campaign featuring a former quarterback who describes cops as ‘pigs’ and makes large donations to the family of a convicted cop killer and wanted fugitive, Joanne Chesimard, who murdered New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster in cold blood in 1973, they are free to do so.
“Since 2016, 381 officers have been killed in the line of duty. They believed in something and sacrificed everything, as did the families they left behind. All of the men and women in law enforcement believe in something and are prepared to sacrifice everything.
“Ultimately, this ad campaign will end and our nation will no longer associate ‘sacrifice’ and ‘sneakers.’ Instead, we will once again associate ‘sacrifice’ with our fellow Americans in our military and police departments who stand in harm’s way to protect the rest of us and our right to express ourselves.”
Well stated.
Meh, nothing surprising or eloquent there. They aren’t happy with Nike (shocker) nor do they want to bring more attention to the ad. That’s the meat of the statement, surrounded by the usual “I don’t like what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it” and token mentioning of fallen officers to imply that the profession is above reproach.
Very well played by Kaepernick, this was the ultimate long con! His NFL career was done. Maaaaybe he could have gotten a look from some team in dire straits, but then after he blows that he's done, everybody says "see, look, he sucks, we gave him a chance, etc.". Instead, he's now a SJW celebrity martyr with a MULTI-million dollar deal from Nike. Got to hand it to him.
“If Nike chooses to create an ad campaign featuring a former quarterback who describes cops as ‘pigs’ and makes large donations to the family of a convicted cop killer and wanted fugitive, Joanne Chesimard, who murdered New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster in cold blood in 1973, they are free to do so. "
Never again Nike.
Go to hell.
Big John wrote:
Very well played by Kaepernick, this was the ultimate long con! His NFL career was done. Maaaaybe he could have gotten a look from some team in dire straits, but then after he blows that he's done, everybody says "see, look, he sucks, we gave him a chance, etc.". Instead, he's now a SJW celebrity martyr with a MULTI-million dollar deal from Nike. Got to hand it to him.
Genius. A career in politics awaits.
asian r reallly hot wrote:
two bits wrote:
+1
IT'S BRING AWARENESS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY!!! What's the argument against it? "do something else, just don't disrespect our flag" But you kn ow what, if they did something else, you wouldn't pay attention at all! "Do some other kind of peaceful protest, just not against the flag." Yeah, try the peaceful Occupy Wall Street movement...that was great and really made a difference.
This isn't about police brutality Mr. Two Bits, it is about the rights of a private business to have it's employees do what they are legally and lawfully paid to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If they want to kneel, NOT one person is saying they can't. BUT you can't do it while being paid to do something other than you are there to do (lawfully).
ALL of you who don't understand this, are IDIOTS!
I thought football players were paid to play football?
westsouthrunner wrote:
Well, the reality is... wrote:
Or, listen to the gun shots from Jamal's 9mm as they ring out in the direction of Andre... and then listen to CNN tell you it was the white cops fault.
Exactly the issue in america. Citizens who want to completely ignore the purpose of his protest and the story behind it. Instead making it about something completely different.
Is it 'injustice' when Jamal shoots Andre? Or, when Trinity Gay is so desensitized to gun violence that she tweets about as it happens, and stays in the same place with the same people?
What is 'injustice'?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandlerThat is ultimately the point of many who see the 'protest against police brutality' as a "making it about something completely different".
There are multiple sides, and Kap is certainly free to demonstrate freely about what he wants. But, to ignore the killing of thousands/year, to raise awareness of the killing (often times justified in the court of law) of MAYBE 150/year, is seen by many as "making it about something completely different".
4. There were almost 6,000 blacks killed by other blacks in 2015.
By contrast, only 258 blacks were killed by police gunfire that year.
It's a very weak argument to say that you can't complain about X because Y also exists. Should we not try to reduce diabetes ailments because cancer kills more people?
and Kap is certainly free to demonstrate freely about what he wants
"Just keeping you honest"...
Further, claiming that CNN "tell's you it's the white cops fault" when a black person shoots another black person is another very weak argument (straw man fallacy).
Well, the reality is... wrote:
Or, listen to the gun shots from Jamal's 9mm as they ring out in the direction of Andre... and then listen to CNN tell you it was the white cops fault.
Lmaooo this post just reeks of racism
Well, the reality is... wrote:
4. There were almost 6,000 blacks killed by other blacks in 2015.
By contrast, only 258 blacks were killed by police gunfire that year.
So if you have problems within your community, you don’t get to complain when the government kills people?