Oregon quickly recovers from Rainsberger and Burdon transferring out as two top 15 NCAA xc finishers TRANSFER IN

duck forever wrote:

New Mexico's returning top 5 from last year are almost guaranteed to do worse. For one thing, you can't improve on #1. Not much room to improve at 6 and 9 as well. Maybe going up a couple spots max, but it's more likely for them them to fall back a little bit. Franklin definitely can't rely on going 1, 3, 5 - he's going to have to plan for probably 3, 10, 15 and find a good 4 and 5 somewhere somehow.

What two individuals will be beating Kurgat?

Will their men's team even qualify?

Les wrote:

Not aware of any "mission" to build American distance running. Perhaps you're mistaking the University of Oregon with Bowerman Track Club. The University coaches' only mission is to build a strong program.

Well, first of all, Oregon is closely associated with the history of American distance running and Nike, the funder of OTC and NOP and BTC. Phil Knight is the most influential person on Oregon athletics. Second, Oregon has historically recruited the best American athletes and the occasional foreign athlete, most of whom in recent years, with the exception of Edward Cheserek, who went to high school in the U.S. and is trying to become a citizen, were marginal in the program.

This coach has recruited almost all foreign athletes.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Shows Oregon is officially done with being an American distance running program . Pre is rolling in his grave .

FYI, Burdon isn't American either.

Why would you leave an education from USF to get one from UO???

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Les wrote:

Not aware of any "mission" to build American distance running. Perhaps you're mistaking the University of Oregon with Bowerman Track Club. The University coaches' only mission is to build a strong program.

Well, first of all, Oregon is closely associated with the history of American distance running and Nike, the funder of OTC and NOP and BTC. Phil Knight is the most influential person on Oregon athletics. Second, Oregon has historically recruited the best American athletes and the occasional foreign athlete, most of whom in recent years, with the exception of Edward Cheserek, who went to high school in the U.S. and is trying to become a citizen, were marginal in the program.

This coach has recruited almost all foreign athletes.

You recruit to the school you are at. Not many top American kids would let USF in their front door. So the coach went to find kids where she could get them. Same thing Pete Watson did at Auburn or Mick Byrne did at Iona, when they got to schools that could attract better American kids they attracted more American kids. This coach had a relationship with these athletes so it is natural they followed her and she needed the talent to make the team good this year. I suspect you will see a fairly traditional Oregon recruiting class of mostly Americans with a few international studs moving forward. There is a history of international athletes at Oregon going back to before Prefontaine.

Are there any Virginia Tech runners transferring to Oregon?

I lost all respect for Rainsberger and Burdon. One of the most pathetic moves I've seen.

Powells are much worse coaches than what Oregon picked up, so those two deserve their fate of running below what they are capable of. Call it karma, I guess.

speech wrote:

I lost all respect for Rainsberger and Burdon. One of the most pathetic moves I've seen.

Why?

VT_wondering wrote:

Are there any Virginia Tech runners transferring to Oregon?

There is a pretty good mid distance runner missing off of VA Tech's roster. But more of a track runner and probably wont see much of her if any during XC.

Only one seems to be missing wrote:

VT_wondering wrote:

Are there any Virginia Tech runners transferring to Oregon?

There is a pretty good mid distance runner missing off of VA Tech's roster. But more of a track runner and probably wont see much of her if any during XC.

That’d be Laurie Barton

gobos wrote:

duck forever wrote:

New Mexico's returning top 5 from last year are almost guaranteed to do worse. For one thing, you can't improve on #1. Not much room to improve at 6 and 9 as well. Maybe going up a couple spots max, but it's more likely for them them to fall back a little bit. Franklin definitely can't rely on going 1, 3, 5 - he's going to have to plan for probably 3, 10, 15 and find a good 4 and 5 somewhere somehow.

What two individuals will be beating Kurgat?

Lobos are expected (per Flotrack) to have 4 runners in the top 25. Kurgat, Keilati, Prouse are all returning. Prouse finished 12th place last season and the other two ladies were top-10. Now, they also have Iowa Central transfer Adva Cohen, who Flotrack is ranking 21st in their pre-season individual rankings. Adva just came in 5th in European Outdoor championship 3K steeple this summer in 9:29 (in comparison, Allie O won NCAAs in mid 9:30's), but her 5K PB is just 16:07. Anyhow, the gang at Flo will be predicting 4 Lobos in the top-25. For their 5th, they have a frosh last year that finished 85th (63 pts). So, that will be very tough for Oregon to beat. I think its safe to say that the Lobos will be ranked 1st until they are beaten.

Assuming everyone is healthy, the podium teams will be:

1. New Mexico

2. Oregon (assuming transfers are eligible)

3. Colorado

4. Boise State

Boise State is the likely "surprise" podium team. Of course, AllieO should be a very low stick, but they may also have two others in top-20 (O'Brien and Venters), and they seem to have a solid core of ladies behind those 3. Stanford and NC State will be 5-6 in some order.

gobos wrote:

duck forever wrote:

New Mexico's returning top 5 from last year are almost guaranteed to do worse. For one thing, you can't improve on #1. Not much room to improve at 6 and 9 as well. Maybe going up a couple spots max, but it's more likely for them them to fall back a little bit. Franklin definitely can't rely on going 1, 3, 5 - he's going to have to plan for probably 3, 10, 15 and find a good 4 and 5 somewhere somehow.

What two individuals will be beating Kurgat?

Ostrander

Burdon actually beat Kurgat in the 5k at NCAAs too

Jessica Hull has a higher upside than Kurgat because she has a lot more speed

Kurgat looked mediocre during outdoor, plus she's probably 27 so improvements are slower and harder

Getting off topic here, but I wonder how Oregon will develop Ruby Stauber. With New Mexico getting an Iowa Central transfer I'm reminded about what ever happened with their former runner Leanne Pompeani (NJCAA D1 2016 xc champ).

Oh you fools. Blinded by your school pride and loyalty. Not only is New Mexico going to win NCAA’s this year, but they will do it in astonishingly easy fashion. Trust me, you simply just don’t know what is about to get thrown at you. UNM in a rout- book it.

Full disclosure- I have absolutely no ties to that program and am not associated with it other than I know people who know people and have heard info I deem very credible.

Oregon will give New Mexico a run for it's money at NCAA's both teams will have 3 top 15 runners at NCAA's only difference is Oregon 4 and 5 will be in top top 30 and New Mexico 5th won't even be close to to Oregon 5th im thinking 90th or so. If Cross Country has a 4 runner team Championship it would win but it isn't it takes 5 to win and Oregon top 5 will be better then New Mexico just saying GO DUCKS also Oregon 6th and 7th will be pretty good and Kate Murphy will make Oregon top 5 if she is healthy and running though not sure if she will be running this year? Think Hull will be top 25 this year and Bowden will be top 5- 10 and Oregon 2nd just my 2 cents. GO DUCKS

BigfactS wrote:

Both were top 10 at euro cross last winter in the U23 race too.

Brauer 6th, Pyzik 8th, Bowden 13th (actually the weakest of the British team with the others placed 3,4,5,9 and 10!)

ostrand wrote:

gobos wrote:

What two individuals will be beating Kurgat?

Ostrander

Burdon actually beat Kurgat in the 5k at NCAAs too

Jessica Hull has a higher upside than Kurgat because she has a lot more speed

Kurgat looked mediocre during outdoor, plus she's probably 27 so improvements are slower and harder

Cross country != track. So you're saying Ostrander, Burdon and Hull will all beat her at NCAAs? I'll take that bet.