How do people feel about Urban Meyer not facing any disciplinary action

So now, in today's world, we have to be punished for the deeds of others? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't know what he know or when he knew it. If one knows of a misdeed like this then I believe they should report the offense to the authorities. But punishing someone for someone else's crime is a slippery slope that is best to avoid.

just another guy wrote:

So now, in today's world, we have to be punished for the deeds of others? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't know what he know or when he knew it. If one knows of a misdeed like this then I believe they should report the offense to the authorities. But punishing someone for someone else's crime is a slippery slope that is best to avoid.

+1

America is quickly becoming more and more like the Soviet Union.

Sand Dunes wrote:

just another guy wrote:

So now, in today's world, we have to be punished for the deeds of others? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't know what he know or when he knew it. If one knows of a misdeed like this then I believe they should report the offense to the authorities. But punishing someone for someone else's crime is a slippery slope that is best to avoid.

+1

America is quickly becoming more and more like the Soviet Union.

Yup. It's a slippery slope to start prosecuting people for the others actions., especially without clear evidence. It is an awful situation, but still, probably the right call. But f*** Ohio State. lol

just another guy wrote:

So now, in today's world, we have to be punished for the deeds of others? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't know what he know or when he knew it. If one knows of a misdeed like this then I believe they should report the offense to the authorities. But punishing someone for someone else's crime is a slippery slope that is best to avoid.

Not exactly.

He signed a contract that made it a requirement to report certain issues.

Do you think people should be able to sign multi-million dollar contracts and then pick and choose the bits that suit them?

Uhhh wrote:

just another guy wrote:

So now, in today's world, we have to be punished for the deeds of others? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't know what he know or when he knew it. If one knows of a misdeed like this then I believe they should report the offense to the authorities. But punishing someone for someone else's crime is a slippery slope that is best to avoid.

Not exactly.

He signed a contract that made it a requirement to report certain issues.

Do you think people should be able to sign multi-million dollar contracts and then pick and choose the bits that suit them?

Curious, not sarcastic here. Do you actually know what was in his contract? Was it released?

IMO, Meyer is above any disciplinary action. The last thing in the world OSU wants to do is fire a coach with 73–8 record and 3 National Championships (1 with OSU and 2 with Florida when he had Tebow). Remember he resigned from Florida due to some health issues and when he came out of retirement OSU was hot after him with a huge contract.

Meyer walks on water according to the OSU faithful...no surprises there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Meyer

Well morans listen up, the police were called several times and charges were never filed. He's a football coach, not an investigator, judge, impartial jury, mindreader, soothsayer. An argument could be made to the contrary that if he did arbitrarily and capriciously fire him after a professional, publicly funded investigative force deemed no foul play or charges necessary, that there were no grounds for termination opening the school up to lawsuits, especially if the guy wasn't a straight white male, the world would have burned to the ground. Let's stick with logic, its the only way through this mess that we are becoming.

There are a few football factory programs like Alabama and Ohio State where everyone in power from the governor to the school president and AD on down knows not to mess with anything which might harm the program’s success. Penn State was this way until they were all taken down. At a place like Maryland, which showed real leadership with their own scandal, Urban would be already gone.

A coach is not a legal authority. We have a legal system where people can go to seek due process under the law. There is a difference between an allegation and a conviction in a court of one's peers. The alleged victim had every opportunity to bring formal charges. Anyone who has been around people who are in a marriage that is breaking up can attest to the fact that allegations fly all over the place. As an outsider, it is difficult to make a judgement as to who is being truthful and who is lying. That is why we have courts.

Slimeball U. wrote:

There are a few football factory programs like Alabama and Ohio State where everyone in power from the governor to the school president and AD on down knows not to mess with anything which might harm the program’s success. Penn State was this way until they were all taken down. At a place like Maryland, which showed real leadership with thstorage eir own scandal, Urban would be already gone.

And even if they get fired, other schools hire them in a heartbeat if they're any good. Wasn't Leach in lot of trouble at Texas Tech when he abused a player by making him go and sit in an on-field equipment storage unit on a sorching hot day? It was a few years after his firing that Wash St. gobbled him up with a fairly good size contract. It seems some college coaches can get away with a lot of sh*t.

According to PhD natural scientists and PhD economists, we are past peak oil. Urban Meyers and the foolishness with football must truly be a sign we are past peak football. How long will parents and kids allow Urban Meyers to come into their homes and believe Meyers when he says he will be the daddy away from home? How long as a society will we tolerate college D1 football coaches earning more per year than the governor and university president combined? How long are we going to tolerate D1 football universities having 85 athletic grants/so-called student athlete scholarships? A football team only needs 50 guys but 85 scholarships? Track & field needs 40 guys but less than 13 scholarships. Too often the letsrun solution is to be mad at your sisters and female cousins on the track & field team instead of looking at football.

Just Beating Women in Ohio wrote:

The guy kept quiet about one of his coaches beating his wife. Nothing is going to happen. Thoughts? Discus.

Shot put.

He is on paid administrative leave while an investigation is underway.

Maybe let the investigation run its course before saying no disciplinary action is going to take place.

yesIguess wrote:

Uhhh wrote:

Not exactly.

He signed a contract that made it a requirement to report certain issues.

Do you think people should be able to sign multi-million dollar contracts and then pick and choose the bits that suit them?

Curious, not sarcastic here. Do you actually know what was in his contract? Was it released?

The contract is a public record and the sections have been shown on the internet for several weeks. Also, as a university employee he falls under its policies and procedures. There are some questions about whether Title IX applies, but man if it is even close you need to report up.

He says did (after lying about it at first). There should be some sort of "paper" trail if he did.

The Bigger crime is that he gets paid 7 million $ to coach a game at a establishment of higher education.

yesIguess wrote:

Curious, not sarcastic here. Do you actually know what was in his contract? Was it released?

Yes, these details of his contract have been released and indicate he is obligated to report to school officials any knowledge he has of various activities. The allegations that his assistant coach was threatening and physically abusive to his wife fall under this requirement. He's not obligated to fire the guy. He's not obligated to act as a judge. He is required to report knowledge of the allegations.

At issue is the appearance that Meyer lied publicly at Big Ten media day when he said he had know knowledge of the 2015 allegations. He subsequently changed his story and says he reported his knowledge to the relevant officials. We may or may not learn if that is true.

OSU fired Woody Hayes the day after he punched an opposing player at the Gator bowl. They also forced out Jim Tressel when it came out he had submitted false documentation to the NCAA and allowed ineligible players to play. The school is also mired in a scandal involving a former athletics physician who allegedly abused student-athletes.

And, OSU's perennial success is as much the result of a juggernaut of successful systems, reputation, and effective recruiting as it is its head coach. They could fire Meyer and still succeed. Odds are that he will get a several-game suspension, though; not be fired.

Luv2Run wrote:

yesIguess wrote:

Curious, not sarcastic here. Do you actually know what was in his contract? Was it released?

The contract is a public record and the sections have been shown on the internet for several weeks. Also, as a university employee he falls under its policies and procedures. There are some questions about whether Title IX applies, but man if it is even close you need to report up.

He says did (after lying about it at first). There should be some sort of "paper" trail if he did.

I understand your position and understand that the contract stated that the contract mandated the reporting of KNOWN transgressions. But what did Meyer know and did he make any type of report? I don't think we can really know what he knew. It is hard (and should be hard) to prove what someone knew and is, therefore, very difficult to process what was known (let alone knowledge of the severity of the misdeed). I think that if we begin to take away jobs from people for not reporting something that they SHOULD HAVE known then nobody is safe. I do not believe that Meyer was an appointed law enforcement official and should not be held responsible to uphold the safety of the community.

just another guy wrote: I do not believe that Meyer was an appointed law enforcement official and should not be held responsible to uphold the safety of the community.

Yes, I agree with you...but, in the big picture, this is all JoePa's fault. The transgressions regarding knowledge - or even, suspicion - of subordinates engaged in grossly illegal acts posing great risk to minors - have created a much more responsive climate. It would be a foolhard coach who would persist in gross untruths about these sorts of matters. Public universities are subject to state open records laws and it won't be long before the media, or citizens, find out whether Meyer did report any such act.

You all are missing one key component: as a public education employee in the state of Ohio, Meyer is a mandatory reporter, reguardless of what clause is in his contract. He must report even a suspicion of abuse. And the AD is not the correct person to report abuse to. You are right: he is not law enforcement or an investigator. That's why Ohio requires it's public education employees to report SUSPICIONS to the correct investigative body. Mark my words: Meyer and the AD are both going to get fired for this. Not only did they both know about the muliple alligations, they didn't thell the right office. More will likely come out, too, once he is gone. It's going to be ugly.

Just Beating Women in Ohio wrote:

The guy kept quiet about one of his coaches beating his wife. Nothing is going to happen. Thoughts? Discus.

He did not beat a woman. He is not the police.

I don't understand this disturbing trend of people NOT being responsible or accountable for their OWN actions, but somehow ARE responsible and accountable for the actions of OTHER adults. It's like some kind of alternate universe.