To those who are saying Euros was a joke - an in depth comparison in distance running

Excellent, conclusive post.

I don’t care how strong Euros were or weren’t, but comparing to an off year US championships where a quarter of top athletes simply don’t come is hardly useful. Comparing times between any 2 meets in general is almost useless. And comparing two 12 place finishers in different races under any circumstances is definitely useless.

Ehso wrote:

I don’t care how strong Euros were or weren’t, but comparing to an off year US championships where a quarter of top athletes simply don’t come is hardly useful. Comparing times between any 2 meets in general is almost useless. And comparing two 12 place finishers in different races under any circumstances is definitely useless.

Well because it doesn't favor the US, right?

Excuses excuses... Off year, wrong time of the year, wrong location.... USATF organized that, so that's on ya'll. It is the same "off year" for europeans too btw.

12th place finishers are here to show the depth of the field. And as you see, distance running is a lot stronger at the Euros than at the USAs. In every single distance event the 8th or the 12th finisher at the Euros ran faster than the winner at the USAs.

YALL WEAK and/or lazy.

artojas wrote:

YALL WEAK and/or lazy.

What are your PBs/PRs?

Waniel Danjiru wrote:

artojas wrote:

YALL WEAK and/or lazy.

What are your PBs/PRs?

Most likely better than yours brah. I was a silver medalist in my country and have won a couple international meets too. Not exactly your average jogger.

artojas wrote:

Waniel Danjiru wrote:

What are your PBs/PRs?

Most likely better than yours brah. I was a silver medalist in my country and have won a couple international meets too. Not exactly your average jogger.

And what are they?

artojas wrote:

It is the same "off year" for europeans too btw.

I thought your OP was excellent and convincing, but have to disagree with this one (later) statement.

Historically, the Euros were the second-most important competition in all of track and field. While that has been diluted by the addition of the world-championship meets, the Euros are still immensely important to Europeans themselves: bragging rights and income from sponsors.

European athletes really don't have an off year (at least to the degree that non-Europeans do): They've got the OG, Worlds, Euros, Worlds, OG . . . .

uh huh wrote:

artojas wrote:

It is the same "off year" for europeans too btw.

I thought your OP was excellent and convincing, but have to disagree with this one (later) statement.

Historically, the Euros were the second-most important competition in all of track and field. While that has been diluted by the addition of the world-championship meets, the Euros are still immensely important to Europeans themselves: bragging rights and income from sponsors.

European athletes really don't have an off year (at least to the degree that non-Europeans do): They've got the OG, Worlds, Euros, Worlds, OG . . . .

But are you trying to say that USAs are not important to american athletes? What I can't understand is how people here say Euros are weak, when your own championship is lots weaker. I mean there are people who compare Wheating to Jakob, while Jakob has beaten Murphy, Chelimo and Centro (twice). Aside of Ingebrogtsen bros, plenty other stellar athletes too. Bosse, Kszczot, Lewandowski,

Amdouni... Bunch of them will final and medal at the worlds and olys.

USAs were a bit of a joke too. Plus I tried to educate you before. They were held in Des Moines which is not good in June for distance races. You are a blathering fool.

Eddietheeagle wrote:

USAs were a bit of a joke too. Plus I tried to educate you before. They were held in Des Moines which is not good in June for distance races. You are a blathering fool.

USAs were not a joke. It was a complete and utter laughing stock of wanna be-s and has beens. Where you held it sounds like a "you problem" to me. Who's fault is it, that you guys can't organize it an olympic venue like Berlin?

Here is a list of participants at Euros 2018. Deeper than any championship you ever had on your soil.

800m:

Amel Tuka - 1:42.51 PB

Pierre-Ambroise Bosse - 1:42.53 PB

Adam Kszczot - 1:43.30 PB

Saul Ordóñez - 1:43.65 PB

Marcin Lewandowski - 1:43.72 PB

1500m:

Filip Ingebrigtsen - 3:30.01 PB

Jakob Ingebrigtsen - 3:31.18 PB

Henrik Ingebrigtsen - 3:31.46 PB

Homiyu Tesfaye - 3:31.98 PB

Chris O'Hare - 3:32.11 PB

Jakub Holusa - 3:32.49 PB

Charlie Grice - 3:33.60 PB

Jake Wightman - 3:33.96 PB

Marcin Lewandowski - 3:34.04 PB

5000m:

ÖZBILEN Kaan Kigen - 12:58.58 PB

ARIKAN Polat Kemboi - 13:05.98 PB

THOMPSON Chris - 13:11.51 PB

ABADÍA Antonio - 13:12.68 PB

AMDOUNI Morhad - 13:14.19 PB

MECHAAL Adel - 13:15.40 PB

INGEBRIGTSEN Henrik - 13:16.97 PB

INGEBRIGTSEN Jakob - 13:17.06 PB

10000m

ÖZBILEN Kaan Kigen - 27:03.49 PB

THOMPSON Chris - 27:27.36 PB

ARIKAN Polat Kemboi - 27:35.50 PB

AMDOUNI Morad - 27:36.80 PB

ABDI Bashir - 27:36.40 PB

RINGER Richard - 27:36.52 PB

BOUCHIKHI Soufiane - 27:41.20 PB

VERNON Andy - 27:42.62 PB

CRIPPA Yemaneberhan - 27:44.21 PB

Well you're the genius comparing the USATF Outdoor meet to Euros. If you compare each individual country's Championship to the US's, the numbers would pan out differently. Seriously dude, think before you make a thread.

WellDuh wrote:

Well you're the genius comparing the USATF Outdoor meet to Euros. If you compare each individual country's Championship to the US's, the numbers would pan out differently. Seriously dude, think before you make a thread.

The only reason I am doing this is because people here think USA runners are it and Euros are a joke. Obviously, Euros are a lot bigger and deeper quality wise. Centro would have not medaled in Euros. So yeah, winning Euros is a HUGE deal.

artojas wrote:

Numbers don't lie:

If you are simply comparing finishing times, then I have had several performances better than Centro's Olympic Gold.

Numbers don't lie.

Star wrote:

artojas wrote:

Numbers don't lie:

If you are simply comparing finishing times, then I have had several performances better than Centro's Olympic Gold.

Numbers don't lie.

Did u also run last lap in 50-51? You know, that's what numbers in parenthesis in my OP mean. To show, that not only the races were faster, but also the last lap was kicked harder too. Which basically means better quality of the race.

Yeah but you are comparing a CONTINENT to a country. Of course, there are going to be faster times when you have more people. Your argument is ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised if he beat Centro at World's next year. He won't beat Murphy and Chelimo in their events, though.

Yikes! wrote:

Yeah but you are comparing a CONTINENT to a country. Of course, there are going to be faster times when you have more people. Your argument is ridiculous.

Again, exactly the point. Winning Euros means being a champ of a continent and that, my friend, is no joke.

mofong wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if he beat Centro at World's next year. He won't beat Murphy and Chelimo in their events, though.

Murphy no, Centro and Chelimo yes. Jakob will be in a 13:00 shape next year with a 3:31 background.

Murphys nemesis will come 2020 in the form of british Max Burgin.

Actually I am also excited of what Filip will do next year. Dude does have a 3:30 under his belt.

artojas wrote:

mofong wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if he beat Centro at World's next year. He won't beat Murphy and Chelimo in their events, though.

Murphy no, Centro and Chelimo yes. Jakob will be in a 13:00 shape next year with a 3:31 background.

Murphys nemesis will come 2020 in the form of british Max Burgin.

Actually I am also excited of what Filip will do next year. Dude does have a 3:30 under his belt.

If he beats Chelimo in the World Championships 5000m next year I will eat my shorts. Sad we can't find a way to wager on that.