Lance Armstrong (USA, cycling), disgraced PED former 7-time TdF winner, hospitalized to get head checked after bike wreck

Fentrekker wrote:

joemama wrote:

HERO???? You've got to be kidding!!! He was a CHEATER AND LIAR!!!

+1. And actually I think what bothers me more than his cheating and lying was his bullying of people who tried to call him to account.

I think that is exactly it for a lot of people.

I also think that too many people put him on a pedestal and then got mad at him when they found out he had flaws. It makes you look bad if the idol you chose turns out to be less than saintly.

You are an idiot. wrote:

tall horse wrote:

Are you implying you've never lied once in your life?

That’s really what you think he was implying? Does being that stupid hurt? Like actual physical pain from carrying the enormity of your stupidity?

I think someone "inferred" and just does not know the difference between "infer" and "imply".

Integrity matters wrote:

Sand Dunes wrote:

I saw this yesterday on instagram, I feel sorry for one of my heros.

It’s not surprising that a POS like you idolizes a man with no integrity. There is no excuse for cheating. Every decent person respects honesty; it’s the low life scum of the world that idolize the dishonest. Integrity used to matter and the lack of it is not how to make a country great. Crawl back under your rock.

No integrity- yeah, right. He has more integrity in his left nut then you do in your entire gene pool. Hate the man as a cyclist fine- but don't say the man has no integrity. Dude raises over half a billion (billion with a B) for cancer research. Please tell me you would take all that money and all those lives he saved away so he can have integrity? I'll wait......

Ps. you should listen/watch his podcast (The Move), rather hilarious.

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Luv2Run wrote:

You are an idiot. wrote:

That’s really what you think he was implying? Does being that stupid hurt? Like actual physical pain from carrying the enormity of your stupidity?

I think someone "inferred" and just does not know the difference between "infer" and "imply".

Inferred with an inability to reason. To conclude that someone who writes the statement “every decent person respects honesty” is the person’s way of saying “I have never told a lie” is a logic gap that is maybe only explained by a head injury of some sort?

Although I think the fallacy he was going for was that a person isn’t allowed to condemn the years and years of Lance’s lies, cheating, merciless hounding of his accusers, etc. if they have also told a lie even once in their life. I mean yeah, that’s just really very stupid, but it’s either that or he has a head injury. Maybe both?

Where in there does it say he raised over $500 million for cancer research? It doesn’t and that’s because it didn’t. It was exposed and made clear a long time ago that the Livestrong Foundation does not exist to fund cancer research.

A school teacher who rapes a few childern shouldn’t be condemned, right? Instead think of all the thousands of lives of the children the teacher helped over the years. Why focus on the few he harmed? As long as he promises to stop the raping let him keep teaching and doing good, right? That’s how it works for you? You just weigh the good vs the harm?

A badass who ruined lives and pumped his body full of EPO, Testosterone, and various other performance enhancing drugs that gave him an unfair advantage who should be sitting on the couch under those seven insignificant and redacted yellow jerseys that ruined the reputation of cycling and endurance sports in general.

Are there any performance enhancing drugs that make you more coordinated?

If so someone let "badass" Lance know.

Tom Blake trail wrote:

Disgraced US cyclist Lance Armstrong, who was embroiled in one of the biggest doping scandals in sporting history, has been hospitalized after wrecking his bike during the Tom Blake cycling trail in Colorado.

The 46-year-old athlete badly injured his face and was forced to go undergo a medical check in a local hospital to find out whether his head was injured in the crash.

“Well, sometimes you’re the hammer and sometimes you’re the nail,” the former Tour de France winner wrote, posting a picture of his bashed face.

“Took quite the blow to the noggin’ so swung by the Aspen Valley Hospital (great facility!) to get my head checked,” the cyclist added.

https://instagram.com/p/BmOzbUPhtLjhttps://www.si.com/more-sports/2018/08/09/lance-armstrong-bike-crash-tom-blake-trail

Is there any reason that you don't mention the long history of doping on the tour and the multiple winners and podium finishers over the years being busted for doping?

Or maybe the sport was doping based being one of the dirtiest in all sport.

It just wasn't one guy alone leading the charge.

Maybe you headline should read " In the sport of disgraced dopers, 7-time winner Lance takes another fall".

Things would not have turned out so poorly for Lance had he not been such a dick.

I want my money and time spent back from the Livestrong fraud. That make you happy. It spent more on self promotion, execs salaries and advertising than most charities.

You should read your source wrote:

Where in there does it say he raised over $500 million for cancer research? It doesn’t and that’s because it didn’t. It was exposed and made clear a long time ago that the Livestrong Foundation does not exist to fund cancer research.

A school teacher who rapes a few childern shouldn’t be condemned, right? Instead think of all the thousands of lives of the children the teacher helped over the years. Why focus on the few he harmed? As long as he promises to stop the raping let him keep teaching and doing good, right? That’s how it works for you? You just weigh the good vs the harm?

1. Ok. You are correct and wrong at the same time- used to fund with grants but has since scaled back to focus on survivorship.

2. Really? You are comparing what Lance did to rape? Like really? He is an asshol* and ruined a lot of peoples lives but name 1 person who has done more to bring about cancer awareness holistically (not just $$$ ala Uncle Phil).

Warning- going ff on a tangent now about what more posters said.

He is not the villain- he is the scapegoat for a generation (maybe generation.5) of cyclists. He was a winner and a polarizing person so he under the microscope and lambasted more so then any other cyclist of his generation (unless you read todays new- Ullrich beating up a hooker- ouch).

Everyone was one drugs and every team leader or team management put undue pressure on its riders perform better during that ear and they still do now. Lance just took a little league doping game and brought it to the majors. Most riders and teams were guilty of this- don't believe me? Do the research- its there. You want team wide doping program? Look at Robobank. Look and read about its riders and many of whom confessed- Michael Boogerd, Dekker, et al. Don't condemn one person because he played the game better then everyone else.

99% of people doped. People need to get over that fact, why is it Lance's fault? Even the "greatest" was caught and suspended for doping. I bet none of you can name the greatest cyclist who has never been caught up in any scandal. Their name doesn't start with Eddy, that much is for sure.

Ok- rant over for now.

SJWHippie wrote:

I want my money and time spent back from the Livestrong fraud. That make you happy. It spent more on self promotion, execs salaries and advertising than most charities.

IDK how accurate this website is but short of reading the 990 its give (hopefully) a pretty good pic that is not just some huge ponzi scheme that some people believe (ponzi scheme, fraud, scam, blah, blah blah).

2016 990:

Was the left nut the one removed or was it the right?

Alas, a lot of questions have been raised about what Livestrong did with all that money. It seemed to spend less and less on cancer research as the years went on.

There is no question he doped and that others were doping, part of the issue with Lance was the way he treated people who dared to investigate and report their findings or who accused him. His scorched Earth policy is what made him reviled in the eyes of many.

You should read your source wrote:

Where in there does it say he raised over $500 million for cancer research? It doesn’t and that’s because it didn’t. It was exposed and made clear a long time ago that the Livestrong Foundation does not exist to fund cancer research.

Exposed? From the very beginning, Livestrong was always about improving the lives of cancer victims, NOT research to cure cancer. Both have a place. The mission of Livestrong

is practical, and arguably much more beneficial to those already with cancer. It's like the difference between taking care of someone vs. helping future potential victims. Both are important, but his cancer experience made him realize that there was a void in practical matters and support for people already with cancer that Livestrong eventually filled.

Livestrong never pretended to be about cancer research. That was people putting cancer and charity together in their own minds and making assumptions.

A school teacher who rapes a few childern shouldn’t be condemned, right? Instead think of all the thousands of lives of the children the teacher helped over the years. Why focus on the few he harmed? As long as he promises to stop the raping let him keep teaching and doing good, right? That’s how it works for you? You just weigh the good vs the harm?

At the start Lance was big into talking about giving money for research and then somewhere along the way that was pushed aside to focus on helping cancer patients in other ways.

You should read the Outside piece. It notes that $20M was given in research grants over a period of a few years. I know a few donors who thought their money was going for research. I know a few people who participated in rides who thought the same thing and some of the statements are vague at best.

I'm an Outside subscriber and read that long ago. It confirms that Armstrong did not abuse it financially or do anything illegal as the face of the organization. It says, "On the program side, I learned that Livestrong provides an innovative and expanding suite of direct services to help cancer survivors negotiate our Kafkaesque health care system." which I knew about as the main goal from the '90s. It mainly goes on to complain about people's perception that it was for cancer research, though most of the examples are from people who did what I wrote about - just equating cancer + charity and putting cancer research in their mind. It's writing from the idea that cancer research is more worthy than helping people with cancer live their lives, which I don't agree with.

From that article, this sais a lot, and something that I remembered from when I read it originally:

"One unlikely “nav” beneficiary is cycling journalist Charles Pelkey, diagnosed last summer with male breast cancer. Pelkey has been a critic of Armstrong—“I don’t particularly like the man,” he says—but after he tweeted about his cancer, a Livestrong navigator contacted him to offer assistance. “There are really wonderful people who work there,” Pelkey says. “I respect everything they do.”

Lance needs to get some IDF schmaltz on that injured proboscis and ream it up George W Bush's rectum. And pronto! Just like the old days. A couple of hours and it'll be good as new. Just ask Dick Cheney.