Unfortunately the recent debacle at Texas was an onslaught from all directions. Higher ups and subordinates.
Unfortunately the recent debacle at Texas was an onslaught from all directions. Higher ups and subordinates.
If “abrasive” coaching, or “hard assed coaching” or whatever the person defending this type of behavior calls what this person did at UW actually did work, they would of annually been a strong program.
In 17 yrs with 2 genders, they had insane talent and won 1 title. Furthermore, that same womens team all came back the next 2 yrs and got worse and the star transferred.
It doesn’t work for anyone, some worse than others. So even performance doesn’t even back up a rationale to operate a program in anyway like this.
Since the year 2000 there have been 7 teams on the men's side and 10 teams on the women's side to win a championship. In case you aren't aware, winning one of these things is incredibly difficult to do. By your logic, the coaching style at over 99% of schools is unsuccessful and 'doesn't work for anyone'. Does track factor in at all? What about individual performance? It 'doesn't work for anyone' except maybe, perhaps the 3:53 miler he coached? Perhaps if Metcalf were nicer that would be a, what, 3:51 or 3:48 maybe?
I'm looking at the top 10 lists by event and eyeballing it seems to be that the vast majority of those times were set during his tenure. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to tell you he's a fantastic coach, but perhaps rethink the phrasing of 'it doesn't work for anyone' if you want to be taken seriously.
Would also like to point out - seems obvious, but hey - results from athletes are far more indicative of the training provided, not how the coach behaves socially. That is, unless, you're predisposed to anxiety attacks, are emotionally unstable, or just weak in general psychologically (to name a few).
And I'm not trying to be mean to these people, just stating what people are afraid to talk about. I genuinely feel bad for someone who becomes an emotional wreck over words. It must be a horrifying world to live in.
Dubs Up wrote:
She likely didn’t transfer because she is a high GPA student in an unusual major, and she is undoubtedly smart enough to realize her times aren’t fast enough to make a living by running.
https://depts.washington.edu/mtnhydr/people/kknight.shtml
Not even Rupp is going to make the six figures she will have (easily, minimum!) until retirement with that education path and talent.
No meat in this wrote:
Your response proved my point.
If my daughter was unhappy I would explain that she has 2 adult choices.
1. Accept it or
2. Move on
Or one childish choice
1. Cry that you are not happy.
I understand that in today's society parents spend more time complaining about teachers than parenting. This is just another example.
You must be really bad at life.
How about the choice of a real adult, not a lap-dog or a quitter, but a prosperous adult who MAKES THINGS HAPPEN:
1. Improve the situation.
In this case, that means get rid of the PoS coach.
polevaultpower wrote:
POD
I've wanted to see Greg go for years, although my reasons have been about performance rather than abusive conduct. I haven't heard the abuse stories, and Greg has always been polite to me the few times we've spoken.
But let's talk about performance for a sec. Some people seem to be under the impression Greg was a successful coach. I 100% disagree. Greg is a great recruiter and assembled some of the most talented (female) rosters of all time. When you look at individual improvement over long periods of time, you understand why the phrase "UW is where good runners go to die" has been repeated the better part of 2 decades on these boards.
I look forward to the future. The UW should be a perennial powerhouse with the talent and resources available to them.
polevaultpower wrote:
I'm not sure if so many of you really believe that the abused athletes are just being whiney, or if it's the same person posting over and over.
The person posting those things is Metcalf. It's the same way he treated the athletes.
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polevaultpower wrote:
I'm not sure if so many of you really believe that the abused athletes are just being whiney, or if it's the same person posting over and over.
The person posting those things is Metcalf. It's the same way he treated the athletes.
You people fail to grasp the concept that it is a tiny minority of athletes that felt he needed to be removed. That means, in turn, that the vast majority are actually likely to see these people as whiny. Because THEY didn't whine. THEY, whether they were okay with it, were indifferent, or didn't even like it but still weren't going to lower themselves to whining about it miraculously made it through their careers without having a mental breakdown and probably think someone would be a whiner if they cried about the same stuff they let roll off their backs.
The majority of people are more fit emotionally, more mentally stable, and less prone to hysterics than the people who had him removed.
I repeat
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HE COACHED DID NOT WHINE ABOUT GETTING THEIR FEELINGS HURT.
I do not understand how you fail to accept this as truth. Maybe he was mean. Sure, he was a big fat meany. When 99+% of your peers come away from the same crap unscathed emotionally - it should tell you something about yourself if you are in that 1-%.
You fail to grasp that it is not a numbers game. If he treated ONE person the way that is described in this piece that is enough to put a coach on notice by his administration. Do that repeatedly over 17 years it's a wonder he lasted so long at a liberal University such as Washington.
Kettle i.e. Metcalf wrote:
blah blah ....
I am sure ` wrote:
The person posting those things is Metcalf. It's the same way he treated the athletes.
Nailed it` wrote:
Kettle i.e. Metcalf wrote:
blah blah ....
I am sure ` wrote:
The person posting those things is Metcalf. It's the same way he treated the athletes.
if so, then he is a legitimate sociopath.
You people are unreal.
Cannot acknowledge that most people are capable of hearing words and not crying about them. And yes, view those that do cry about them as whining.
Keep that victim mentality going for you. I hope it works out.
I do feel bad for Jason Drake and Pat Licari, as they are legitimately nice guys and very good coaches. That they got caught up in this is truly a shame. Another life lesson here - be careful who you work for, lest they take you down with them. You can be doing an awesome job, but if your boss gets fired, there’s always the risk that the new boss is going to bring in people he/she already knows and trusts. That isn’t always fair, but it is reality.
Purple Track wrote:
I do feel bad for Jason Drake and Pat Licari, as they are legitimately nice guys and very good coaches. That they got caught up in this is truly a shame. Another life lesson here - be careful who you work for, lest they take you down with them. You can be doing an awesome job, but if your boss gets fired, there’s always the risk that the new boss is going to bring in people he/she already knows and trusts. That isn’t always fair, but it is reality.
It's the same if not more so in football and basketball. Coach leaves/is terminated or whatever the rest of the coaching staff is let go to. Could you imagine if this happened in the real world? Lets say you're working for the ACME widget company. Your division manager gets fired for poor performance, not meeting sales goals, etc., therefore everyone under that person including you gets fired too. You would see lawsuits flying all over the place.
UW told Greg they were going to start an investigation, or he could resign.
Greg chose to resign so the issues (much more than this article) wouldn’t become public.
As people have said before, this isn’t just about calling guys gay or fat pieces of sh*t.
Money, extramarital affairs funded by the school as “recruiting.” That is what Greg wants to hide - and there’s more.
Wake up and smell Greg’s boozy breath.
I suspect this is someone who had a good experience running for Greg. There was always a good chunk of people who enjoyed his energy and enthusiasm. He was a decent coach most of the time, but I honestly could never get past the talking crap about people when they were out of earshot. I never understood it, there was nothing to gain, but he would throw something inappropriate out there and get a nervous chuckle out of some of his athletes. GOOD COACHES DON'T DO THAT! It's not a fireable offense in itself, but to me, it was completely inappropriate conduct by a head coach. Many of us are not surprised that Greg is no longer with UW. This being said, the guy is not all bad (If he could knock off some of these destructive behaviors, he'd be a great coach). I can't say I enjoyed running for him, but I know other athletes have had better experiences. I hope he finally learns and grows through this.
Kettle wrote:
You people are unreal.
Cannot acknowledge that most people are capable of hearing words and not crying about them. And yes, view those that do cry about them as whining.
Keep that victim mentality going for you. I hope it works out.
Darren Punter wrote:
UW told Greg they were going to start an investigation, or he could resign.
Greg chose to resign so the issues (much more than this article) wouldn’t become public.
As people have said before, this isn’t just about calling guys gay or fat pieces of sh*t.
Money, extramarital affairs funded by the school as “recruiting.” That is what Greg wants to hide - and there’s more.
Wake up and smell Greg’s boozy breath.
If these are true then spill it with detail. Be sure to put 'allegedly' in front of each one so the mods dopn't take it down as slanderous or libel or whatever. Every time this conversation comes up and you back these "but he was abusive" people into a corner calling them out on their inability to cope with words, someone will pipe up and say "oh that's just the tip of the iceberg, the bad stuff isn't even out there yet".
Well put it out there. If it's that bad and you have first hand knowledge of it, put it out there in detail instead of making vague statements. If you don't, I assume you're lying or at the very least greatly exaggerating in hopes of making it a more sensational story.
jewbacca wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:
POD
I've wanted to see Greg go for years, although my reasons have been about performance rather than abusive conduct. I haven't heard the abuse stories, and Greg has always been polite to me the few times we've spoken.
But let's talk about performance for a sec. Some people seem to be under the impression Greg was a successful coach. I 100% disagree. Greg is a great recruiter and assembled some of the most talented (female) rosters of all time. When you look at individual improvement over long periods of time, you understand why the phrase "UW is where good runners go to die" has been repeated the better part of 2 decades on these boards.
I look forward to the future. The UW should be a perennial powerhouse with the talent and resources available to them.
FWIW, recruiting is a part of coaching.
Coaching is the real world, and this happens in your "real world"