Needthe big cities to get thumbs on the twitterfinger and facedigit socialmedia fan bases.
Needthe big cities to get thumbs on the twitterfinger and facedigit socialmedia fan bases.
In Rojo's article he makes it sound a little bit like Justyn Knight going to Syracuse was a huge game changer for the team. I think that's a little bit unfair. The year they won (2015), which was Knight's Sophomore year, they would have finished second as a team even if you remove Justyn Knight from the results entirely. So their success is not just the result of one standout athlete -- they had an incredible team. His freshman year, Knight finished 143rd. In 2016, they would have finished 7th instead of 3rd if you remove him. In 2017 they finished mid-pack and would have fallen a lot further down the rankings without him.
Justyn Knight is definitely a star, but I think maybe Rojo needs to give a little bit more credit to the team as a whole.
What is the deal with all these pro track teams. Are they starting a league with a meet each week and looking towards a championship? Do they think it will gather national interest or have one more person buy their shoes? Doubtful.
Will the athletes be able to race where they want or be told they can only run 10 races a year and where they are a sponsor?
Will the only people who really care are us bozos that log into this site?
I 'm not seeing the benefits of these teams.
thisgirl wrote:
thisguy wrote:
I wonder how much thought went into the location? Having trained in Charlottesville, it’s not the ideal trainging location. Temperate, but most of the runs are super hilly and you have to drive 45 mins to dirt roads. Forget training there in the summer if you’re not over in Europe. Humid AF. Why not base in Boston, but spend significant time at altitude?
Well, Boston sucks for training, unless you like indoor track. AND, very expensive!!!
No need to get so wordy, could have simply said "boston sucks"
wejo wrote:
Top training groups do resonate with the public. Look what Brooks did with the Brooks Beast etc. Brooks used to be regarded as not making good running shoes either. They improved their product and showed people at the top end of the sport they were serious with the Beasts and other measures.
Wejo,
Brooks was number ONE in sales within Running Shops before they started the Beasts. Do not be a history revisionist. Brooks was number FIVE before signing the Hansons. Maybe that is what you meant?
Wejo is right on this one. I know that Brooks uses the Beasts a lot for product testing. It helps having picky, high mileage professionals testing product versus guys like me that run 30 miles a week at most. I have noticed their product improve greatly since the Beasts started 4-5 years ago.
wejo wrote:
Dont be stupid wrote:
Nobody was buying Brooks shoes because the of the Brooks Beast Team, the shoes got better because they hired good developers and and product managers. Please understand the business before you comment.
Reebok had other issues that led to their demise and a lack of leadership to keep the running program running.
A few things. I said product is most important. Running lifers are not going to buy a shitty product because of marketing. But with Brooks the improved product and team went side by side and then having the team helps sell the product.
Hoka is another example where they have improved the product and the team gets them some buy in with people who follow the sport.
I've told a few brands on the fringes of the running world that they first just need to get real runners running in their shoes. Show them their shoes are legit and don't suck. Those people are the people working on the floor of running stores, the people winning road races, the people asked by their neighbors what shoes they should run in. They are the influencers. None of those people are wearing Reebok now.
Running shoe sales fund the money spent into the program. If your not selling shoes then no program.
Paul A. knows what to do and will help guide this program in the right direction. Paul knows shoes as well and they will be runable.
Right now a) Reebok by and large is not selling running shoes and they are starting the program. They are b) Starting the program to help sell running shoes. and c) hope they increase in sales can fund the program.
I just looked at the LetsRun.com Better Running Shoe database. There are THREE reviews total of Reebok running shoes total since 2017. There are 6,660 reviews in the database (now I think some of those go back prior to 2017 but you see the point). Running lifers are not running in their shoes right now. The one good thing is that gives them tremendous upside. They just need to stay committed.
I am assuming you are also an industry person and get SGB in your email? Brooks is WAY up in 2018 and they managed the downward hit the running industry and running speciality stores took, all right when Brooks started the Beasts.
Wrong again Wejo wrote:
wejo wrote:
Top training groups do resonate with the public. Look what Brooks did with the Brooks Beast etc. Brooks used to be regarded as not making good running shoes either. They improved their product and showed people at the top end of the sport they were serious with the Beasts and other measures.
Wejo,
Brooks was number ONE in sales within Running Shops before they started the Beasts. Do not be a history revisionist. Brooks was number FIVE before signing the Hansons. Maybe that is what you meant?
asdgasdfasfasdf wrote:
In Rojo's article he makes it sound a little bit like Justyn Knight going to Syracuse was a huge game changer for the team. I think that's a little bit unfair. The year they won (2015), which was Knight's Sophomore year, they would have finished second as a team even if you remove Justyn Knight from the results entirely. So their success is not just the result of one standout athlete -- they had an incredible team. His freshman year, Knight finished 143rd. In 2016, they would have finished 7th instead of 3rd if you remove him. In 2017 they finished mid-pack and would have fallen a lot further down the rankings without him.
Justyn Knight is definitely a star, but I think maybe Rojo needs to give a little bit more credit to the team as a whole.
Who got 7th at NCAAs last year? I don't know without looking it up and most don't care. They got 5th the year before they won.
To win you need a low stick. Knight also raises the bar for everyone else. They had 3 in top 10 the year they won. Without Knight I don't think they have any in the top 10.
Team was obviously great but they needed someone like Justyn Knight.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/11/final-look-ncaa-cross-syracuse-winning-ncaas-significant-development-generation/Wrong again Wejo wrote:
wejo wrote:
Top training groups do resonate with the public. Look what Brooks did with the Brooks Beast etc. Brooks used to be regarded as not making good running shoes either. They improved their product and showed people at the top end of the sport they were serious with the Beasts and other measures.
Wejo,
Brooks was number ONE in sales within Running Shops before they started the Beasts. Do not be a history revisionist. Brooks was number FIVE before signing the Hansons. Maybe that is what you meant?
Sorry I totally mispoke was thinking of Hansons. Look at Asics. Was #1 in specialty run and has fallen off map. Compare them to Brooks.
Just this weekend I sent someone an Instagram post Hehir made of a totally demolished pair of Reeboks. Basically said something like “send me a few more pairs” and talking about them ramping up production. Didn’t seem like a good look to me...
wejo wrote:
[quote]Dont be stupid wrote:
Nobody was buying Brooks shoes because the of the Brooks Beast Team, the shoes got better because they hired good developers and and product managers. Please understand the business before you comment.
Reebok had other issues that led to their demise and a lack of leadership to keep the running program running.
A few things. I said product is most important. Running lifers are not going to buy a shitty product because of marketing. But with Brooks the improved product and team went side by side and then having the team helps sell the product.
Most people that buy Brooks shoes don't even know they have a Team. 100% of Brooks buyers outside the USA don't know the team or names of people on it.
Y? wrote:
What is the deal with all these pro track teams. Are they starting a league with a meet each week and looking towards a championship? Do they think it will gather national interest or have one more person buy their shoes? Doubtful.
This needs to happen at some level.
It works for every other sport and is probably tracks last shot at regaining public interest.
if only wrote:
Y? wrote:
What is the deal with all these pro track teams. Are they starting a league with a meet each week and looking towards a championship? Do they think it will gather national interest or have one more person buy their shoes? Doubtful.
This needs to happen at some level.
It works for every other sport and is probably tracks last shot at regaining public interest.
Nike and adidas would just buy up every athlete and crush the other teams. Of course, basketball and football basically are dominated by two teams these days.
Why Boston? How much more are they going to have to pay for living expenses! Maybe because Saucony and NB are in the NE? If the NE was the choice why not stay in Syracuse?
wejo wrote:
asdgasdfasfasdf wrote:
In Rojo's article he makes it sound a little bit like Justyn Knight going to Syracuse was a huge game changer for the team. I think that's a little bit unfair. The year they won (2015), which was Knight's Sophomore year, they would have finished second as a team even if you remove Justyn Knight from the results entirely. So their success is not just the result of one standout athlete -- they had an incredible team. His freshman year, Knight finished 143rd. In 2016, they would have finished 7th instead of 3rd if you remove him. In 2017 they finished mid-pack and would have fallen a lot further down the rankings without him.
Justyn Knight is definitely a star, but I think maybe Rojo needs to give a little bit more credit to the team as a whole.
Who got 7th at NCAAs last year? I don't know without looking it up and most don't care. They got 5th the year before they won.
To win you need a low stick. Knight also raises the bar for everyone else. They had 3 in top 10 the year they won. Without Knight I don't think they have any in the top 10.
Team was obviously great but they needed someone like Justyn Knight.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/11/final-look-ncaa-cross-syracuse-winning-ncaas-significant-development-generation/
No, they would have had two in the top-10.
Colin Bennie joining the team?
rojo wrote:
Now I think we should brainstorm some new name ideas. Anyone got a cool idea? Hell I think the should start a contest, we run it on letsrun. Design the name and create the logo for the Reebok Track Club.
How about Ragged Mountain Racing?
vivalarepublica wrote:
Pick some cheap, sleepy mountain town in the Southwest with minimal distractions and be based there. Just make sure there is a track and plenty of decent trails to train on. What else do you need, really?
Sounds like Charlottesville, minus the Southwest. Although it can be kind of pricey.
thisguy wrote:
you have to drive 45 mins to dirt roads.
It does not take 45 minutes to get to Keene, Green Springs, or Ridge Road.
It's not hard to make a good pair of shoes. Nike has made some, but they've also made a ton of terrible shoes. On the good side, the lunar trainer, lasted thousands of miles for me; on the bad side, structure triax was awful, pegasus bad, and some others really bad. I had an excellent pair of Reebok bball shoes during the years I couldn't run. It's not hard to copy one that works anyway.
Jakob Ingebrigtsen has a 1989 Ferrari 348 GTB and he's just put in paperwork to upgrade it
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Strava thinks the London Marathon times improved 12 minutes last year thanks to supershoes