Aussie Deng breaks almost 50 year old 800m record

Coevett wrote:

weetbix wrote:

Well Snell was a man before his time and at 20 Joseph has a big future. His coach has done a brilliant job and with consistency and good hard work he is someone who may be one to watch at Tokyo 2020.

Now to run through the heats and get to the final that will be the big challenge for him and his support crew.

As Johnny Grey said about Donovan Brazier without volume you can't be a championship contender.

Good luck to him and I hope he raises the bar for Aussie men in this event.

It's a shame that his coach, who is clearly one of the best in the world, is a believer in the Kenyan superiority myth, and handpicked TWO Kenyan refugee kids 'as the next Rudishas' to put all his coaching efforts into. A tiny continent that produced Doubell and Snell running similar times 50 years ago (Snell's 1.44.1 on grass would probably be 1.41 at Monaco) can surely produce similar runners today.

When Australia and New Zealand were dominating the middle-and long distance medal tables in the manner Kenya does today, they likely had a smaller proportion of the world's population. Oh and they were winning medals in dozens of other sports at the same time, not to mentioning dominating Rugby Union, Rugby League, tennis, cricket...and wasting countless athletic talent in meaningless garbage like Aussie Rules.

JRinaldi wrote:

Coming in to this late (flying back from Monaco to Australia)

Let's just make it clear that both Joe and Peter are Sudanese (Joe was born in Kenya after his mother fled Sudan). Both of them have grown up in Australia since they were 6 years old and are very much Australian.

JT did spot Joe a number of years ago and have been instrumental in getting him to where he is today, Joe move from Brisbane to Melbourne 18 months ago to train with my group after he finished high school ( a similar move to what Peter did at the start of 2016 when he moved from Perth). Both athletes moved to further their running careers and train along side then equal Australian record holder Alex Rowe (who I was coaching since he was 15 years old).

Alex ran 1:44.40 in 2014 and then started med school in 2015 and hasn't yet been able to manage the workload of both his studies and his running to maintain is 1:44 - not everyone believes that running two laps of the track is the be all and end all in life. Could Alex have run 1:43 if he choose just to focus on his running....100% yes.

I also coach a New Zealander by the name of Brad Mathas who was 6th in the Comm Games this year (1:46.07). I'm sure if he runs under 1`:44.3 we'll have a bunch of people going on about Snell's run on the grass. My PR was 1:47.60 and I ran 1:48.03 on a grass track, so I don't buy this 'it's worth 3 sec' rubbish.

Me - I've never hand picked any athlete and I coach these guys for free on the side of working full time. I don't care what the colour of their skin or what country they are from. If they want my help and I feel like they'd respond well with my program and willing to put in the work, then I'll help them.

In terms of the record - it's a great step forwards for a 20 year old, but you need to be running 1:41/42 to be the best in the world, so we've still got a lot of hard work ahead of us to close that gap.

vivalarepublica wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

Coming in to this late (flying back from Monaco to Australia)

Let's just make it clear that both Joe and Peter are Sudanese (Joe was born in Kenya after his mother fled Sudan). Both of them have grown up in Australia since they were 6 years old and are very much Australian.

JT did spot Joe a number of years ago and have been instrumental in getting him to where he is today, Joe move from Brisbane to Melbourne 18 months ago to train with my group after he finished high school ( a similar move to what Peter did at the start of 2016 when he moved from Perth). Both athletes moved to further their running careers and train along side then equal Australian record holder Alex Rowe (who I was coaching since he was 15 years old).

Alex ran 1:44.40 in 2014 and then started med school in 2015 and hasn't yet been able to manage the workload of both his studies and his running to maintain is 1:44 - not everyone believes that running two laps of the track is the be all and end all in life. Could Alex have run 1:43 if he choose just to focus on his running....100% yes.

I also coach a New Zealander by the name of Brad Mathas who was 6th in the Comm Games this year (1:46.07). I'm sure if he runs under 1`:44.3 we'll have a bunch of people going on about Snell's run on the grass. My PR was 1:47.60 and I ran 1:48.03 on a grass track, so I don't buy this 'it's worth 3 sec' rubbish.

Me - I've never hand picked any athlete and I coach these guys for free on the side of working full time. I don't care what the colour of their skin or what country they are from. If they want my help and I feel like they'd respond well with my program and willing to put in the work, then I'll help them.

In terms of the record - it's a great step forwards for a 20 year old, but you need to be running 1:41/42 to be the best in the world, so we've still got a lot of hard work ahead of us to close that gap.

Thank you, sir, for the first-hand reply that puts to rest some of the bull that has been tossed around this thread.

JRinaldi wrote:

Coming in to this late (flying back from Monaco to Australia)

Let's just make it clear that both Joe and Peter are Sudanese (Joe was born in Kenya after his mother fled Sudan). Both of them have grown up in Australia since they were 6 years old and are very much Australian.

JT did spot Joe a number of years ago and have been instrumental in getting him to where he is today, Joe move from Brisbane to Melbourne 18 months ago to train with my group after he finished high school ( a similar move to what Peter did at the start of 2016 when he moved from Perth). Both athletes moved to further their running careers and train along side then equal Australian record holder Alex Rowe (who I was coaching since he was 15 years old).

Alex ran 1:44.40 in 2014 and then started med school in 2015 and hasn't yet been able to manage the workload of both his studies and his running to maintain is 1:44 - not everyone believes that running two laps of the track is the be all and end all in life. Could Alex have run 1:43 if he choose just to focus on his running....100% yes.

I also coach a New Zealander by the name of Brad Mathas who was 6th in the Comm Games this year (1:46.07). I'm sure if he runs under 1`:44.3 we'll have a bunch of people going on about Snell's run on the grass. My PR was 1:47.60 and I ran 1:48.03 on a grass track, so I don't buy this 'it's worth 3 sec' rubbish.

Me - I've never hand picked any athlete and I coach these guys for free on the side of working full time. I don't care what the colour of their skin or what country they are from. If they want my help and I feel like they'd respond well with my program and willing to put in the work, then I'll help them.

In terms of the record - it's a great step forwards for a 20 year old, but you need to be running 1:41/42 to be the best in the world, so we've still got a lot of hard work ahead of us to close that gap.