Why is there no talk of Jakob potentially doping? when a 17 year old runs 13:20, that should raise suspicion. Whenever someone from an African country runs fast, people are quick to claim doping, but a white kid from Norway runs world class times at an extremely young age, and no one says a thing.
His older Bros probably told him to get on the dope or else you got no shot.
Of course he’s on dope, not even a scintilla of doubt in my mind. But with all the other top guys doping, is it really news?
asdfghjkl wrote:
Why is there no talk of Jakob potentially doping? when a 17 year old runs 13:20, that should raise suspicion. Whenever someone from an African country runs fast, people are quick to claim doping, but a white kid from Norway runs world class times at an extremely young age, and no one says a thing.
This might have something to do with 61 positives over the last few years, despite abysmal testing standards which involve official IAAF testers routinely giving athletes advance warning and being known to appreciate the generosity of an of offer of English Breakfast Tea. Three Kenyan born Olympic Champions (or is it 4? - I'm losing track, like a lot of people), including Asbel Kiprop only a couple of months ago. Not to mention the manager of their Rio team being about to go on trial for running a sophisticated doping regime for his athletes out of an El Doret hospital, which is sure to expose a number of big Kenyan names as dopers, and which the army of LetsRun African doping apologists appear to be in denial about.
Also, Norway is the 6th ranked LEAST corrupt nation on Earth, Kenya is the 146th LEAST corrupt nation on Earth.
Is running 13:20 at 17 'suspicious'? David Moorcroft, who only moved up to the 5000 because he wasn't on the same level of talent at his favoured 1500 to the most talented in Europe or his own country, solo ran a 13:00 nearly 40 years ago. Jakob is the youngest and most talented brother out of the most talented running family in Europe for decades, if not ever, and has the benefit of training with and learning from them all his life. The best European 5000m runners should be running under 13 minutes these days, as Jakob likely will be in a couple of years. So running a 13:20 at 17, although a remarkable achievement, is not in any way suspicious.
hes doping alright.when the first 6 runners in the world juniors break 13.24 and nobody else breaks 14 minutes,thats proof,right there.a highly unusual,suspicious race that doesnt make sense.combination of dopers,and age cheats.
Soren knudsen was the only one not doped. He was several minutes behind.
I'm sure that this has been said many times before, but how can anyone enjoy the sport if running well is proof of cheating. Even Shelby Houlihan is being accused.
I think that it is exciting that a non-East African is running so fast at such a young age. For me, and unless it's obvious like in the cases of Barry Bonds and FloJo, I assume they are clean unless there is a positive test or a confession.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I'm sure that this has been said many times before, but how can anyone enjoy the sport if running well is proof of cheating. Even Shelby Houlihan is being accused.
I think that it is exciting that a non-East African is running so fast at such a young age. For me, and unless it's obvious like in the cases of Barry Bonds and FloJo, I assume they are clean unless there is a positive test or a confession.
What about a case such as Said Aouita's? I've not heard of his failing any test nor of his confessing, but there is the testimony of two Australian athlete's that he encouraged them to use performance enhancing drugs.
Moroccan Roller wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I'm sure that this has been said many times before, but how can anyone enjoy the sport if running well is proof of cheating. Even Shelby Houlihan is being accused.
I think that it is exciting that a non-East African is running so fast at such a young age. For me, and unless it's obvious like in the cases of Barry Bonds and FloJo, I assume they are clean unless there is a positive test or a confession.
What about a case such as Said Aouita's? I've not heard of his failing any test nor of his confessing, but there is the testimony of two Australian athlete's that he encouraged them to use performance enhancing drugs.
OK, but there is zero reason to think Houlihan or Ingebritsen are cheating other than performance.
I always see that Bekele is assumed to cheat. Have people seen him run? His stride and turnover are off the charts. What time could he run if he was clean and how slow would it have to be assume it was legit.
https://afroginthefjord.com/2016/10/17/norwegian-skiers-are-never-guilty-whatever-they-do/asdfghjkl wrote:
Why is there no talk of Jakob potentially doping? when a 17 year old runs 13:20, that should raise suspicion. Whenever someone from an African country runs fast, people are quick to claim doping, but a white kid from Norway runs world class times at an extremely young age, and no one says a thing.
en frosk wrote:
https://afroginthefjord.com/2016/10/17/norwegian-skiers-are-never-guilty-whatever-they-do/asdfghjkl wrote:
Why is there no talk of Jakob potentially doping? when a 17 year old runs 13:20, that should raise suspicion. Whenever someone from an African country runs fast, people are quick to claim doping, but a white kid from Norway runs world class times at an extremely young age, and no one says a thing.
Silly article. Same premise can be applied to most anything. Bias is everywhere, especially when it comes to politics,
Coevett wrote:
asdfghjkl wrote:
Why is there no talk of Jakob potentially doping? when a 17 year old runs 13:20, that should raise suspicion. Whenever someone from an African country runs fast, people are quick to claim doping, but a white kid from Norway runs world class times at an extremely young age, and no one says a thing.
Also, Norway is the 6th ranked LEAST corrupt nation on Earth, Kenya is the 146th LEAST corrupt nation on Earth.
Your points about the ranking of corrupt countries has almost no relevance to the discussion about doping. You need to first define corruption to understand if it's relevant. It's more of a 'corruption perceptions' list. It has more to do with transparency in the financial sectors and government than something to do with doping. Also the list you are using from Wikipedia states that it is obviously very difficult to accurately measure something that is hidden by its very nature
Anyway, the UK, USA, Denmark, Germany, Belgium and France all sit high on the top of that least corrupt list, all had extremely high profile issues with doping and EPO in that wonderful sport of cycling.
USA also has had its fair share, as in tons, of doping cases in athletics.
It's very, very unfair and baseless to try and claim that African countries are more likely to be doping because of government corruption. The UK has clearly abused the TUE system to allow Froome and Wiggins other athletes to use drugs normally banned in sport.
People also love to ignore the 'likely doping' status of one of the Ingerbritsen brothers as per the fancy bears leaked documents.
ex-runner wrote:
Your points about the ranking of corrupt countries has almost no relevance to the discussion about doping. You need to first define corruption to understand if it's relevant. It's more of a 'corruption perceptions' list. It has more to do with transparency in the financial sectors and government than something to do with doping. Also the list you are using from Wikipedia states that it is obviously very difficult to accurately measure something that is hidden by its very nature
Anyway, the UK, USA, Denmark, Germany, Belgium and France all sit high on the top of that least corrupt list, all had extremely high profile issues with doping and EPO in that wonderful sport of cycling.
USA also has had its fair share, as in tons, of doping cases in athletics.
It's very, very unfair and baseless to try and claim that African countries are more likely to be doping because of government corruption. The UK has clearly abused the TUE system to allow Froome and Wiggins other athletes to use drugs normally banned in sport.
I’ll try and hold your hand so someone as intelligent as you can understand. Having 50 people from the US dope is a lot of people. Having 50 people from Kenya dope is also a lot of people. However, when you consider the size of the countries and quantity of athletes, you realize that, by percentage, there are magnitudes more people doping in Kenya.
The fact that you cannot understand this either suggests an incredibly tiny brain, or perhaps some extra Neanderthal genes. I know of some universities that might be interested in studying you—let me know if you’re interested.
The Ingebritsens are dirty. Either the dad is oblivious or he's pumping drugs into his kids. Just sick.
Like Really Bro wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Your points about the ranking of corrupt countries has almost no relevance to the discussion about doping. You need to first define corruption to understand if it's relevant. It's more of a 'corruption perceptions' list. It has more to do with transparency in the financial sectors and government than something to do with doping. Also the list you are using from Wikipedia states that it is obviously very difficult to accurately measure something that is hidden by its very nature
Anyway, the UK, USA, Denmark, Germany, Belgium and France all sit high on the top of that least corrupt list, all had extremely high profile issues with doping and EPO in that wonderful sport of cycling.
USA also has had its fair share, as in tons, of doping cases in athletics.
It's very, very unfair and baseless to try and claim that African countries are more likely to be doping because of government corruption. The UK has clearly abused the TUE system to allow Froome and Wiggins other athletes to use drugs normally banned in sport.
I’ll try and hold your hand so someone as intelligent as you can understand. Having 50 people from the US dope is a lot of people. Having 50 people from Kenya dope is also a lot of people. However, when you consider the size of the countries and quantity of athletes, you realize that, by percentage, there are magnitudes more people doping in Kenya.
The fact that you cannot understand this either suggests an incredibly tiny brain, or perhaps some extra Neanderthal genes. I know of some universities that might be interested in studying you—let me know if you’re interested.
You're reading comprehension is really struggling there, Bro.
Read my post again and tell me where it says Kenyans aren't more likely to be doping.
Let me hold your hand and walk you through my post;
A list of the most corrupt governments/financial institutions is pointless in determining the countries most likely to be doping in athletics.
UK, USA, Denmark, Germany, Belgium and France are some of the least corrupt countries in the world and they made up the entirety, along with Spain, of the doping in cycling. They are the reason that the general public have heard of blood doping or EPO. The tour was (is) filthy and pretty much every rider doped, and they were all Europeans or Americans. Not many Africans.