Top speed needed to reach world class

ToSlow? wrote:

What 200m speed do you think is needed to reach world class in 800-10k?

That's a huge difference as the needs of an 800m runner and a 10,000m runner are different. However, a lot of distance championship events are 80% warm up, followed by 15% fast paced run, and 5% full on sprint.

800 - 22.5

10,000 - 23.0

Anyways, you need speed and as much of it as you can get!

800m 22.0

1500m 23.0

5000m 24.0

Y'all are off. I'd say you need to be going 21.5 at the slowest with a running start to be world class in the 800. You gotta be able to run 45 for 400m, and good luck running 45 off of 22 second speed.

ToSlow? wrote:

What 200m speed do you think is needed to reach world class in 800-10k?

Look at the last-lap times of tactical distance races at the world championship level. It's not impossible to see 51-52 seconds for the final lap of a 1500m or 5000m, and that's *after* doing the full distance. The top pros have really good speed, not just raw strength for doing time trials with even splits.

I'd expect an Olympic gold 5000-10000m runner to be capable of running 23 flat in an open 200m.

The strongest 800m runners are typically of sprinter-type and so I'd suspect something in the range of 22.0 seconds, if not as low as 21.5, for 200m.

No. you can be a 46.5 out the blocks 400 runner and still be able to crank out a 1:43 mid 800m with solid endurance

collegerunner05 wrote:

No. you can be a 46.5 out the blocks 400 runner and still be able to crank out a 1:43 mid 800m with solid endurance

Symmonds was like 47.XX low to mid and ran 1:42 high.

I’d say you need 22 high for 800m

23 high for 1500m

24 low for 5000m

And 24 high for 10000m to be world class (not world champion)

*all times with flying start*

mo farah ran 12.98 in 100m. So there is no chance of him running 23 flat, and he had the fastest closing finishing. Most 5k/10k runners have average speed but can hold the speed far longer because of their endurance.

800m- sub 22, sub 46 400

1500m- sub 23, sub 48

5000m- sub 24, sub 50

10000m- if you have enough endurance, you can get through. Although having sub 50 400 speed could put you at an advantage.

3200y5000 wrote:

800m- sub 22, sub 46 400

1500m- sub 23, sub 48

5000m- sub 24, sub 50

10000m- if you have enough endurance, you can get through. Although having sub 50 400 speed could put you at an advantage.

C’mon man. Read the thread.

Nick symmonds 47.4 / 1:42.9

Also, there’s no way centro is running sub 23 or sub 48

Guesses wrote:

800m 22.0

1500m 23.0

5000m 24.0

Actually, most 5000m these days are won in around 24 for the last 200m, and that's after a 400m in around 56.

Whereas the last 200m of almost any 800m is probably closer to 27.

So you can be world class in the 800m with slower 200m speed than a 5K/10K guy as long as you can maintain it.

faster please wrote:

Y'all are off. I'd say you need to be going 21.5 at the slowest with a running start to be world class in the 800. You gotta be able to run 45 for 400m, and good luck running 45 off of 22 second speed.

21.5 with a rolling start is about 22.5 FAT. So assuming the previous posts were referring to FAT times, you are in agreement with them...