What kind of shape would one get if he biked 2 hours in the morning and ran 2 hours in the evening?

That's a terrible idea. 15 mph is real slow on a bike, hardly any aerobic benefit. And 2 hour runs are not sustainable for very long without injury. A 2 hour run should be limited to once a week as a long run.

You're looking for a short cut or a secret, but there are no short cuts and secrets in running. If you want to be a good runner, you run two fast workouts a week, a weekend long run, and double 6 days a week on the days other than the long run. Lastly, easy days easy and hard days hard. That's the "secret" to doing your best as a runner, the trivial details like how much mileage and what kind of workouts you find out through trial and error for yourself individually because everyone responds to training stimulus differently.

robert678 wrote:

That's a terrible idea. 15 mph is real slow on a bike, hardly any aerobic benefit. And 2 hour runs are not sustainable for very long without injury. A 2 hour run should be limited to once a week as a long run.

You're looking for a short cut or a secret, but there are no short cuts and secrets in running. If you want to be a good runner, you run two fast workouts a week, a weekend long run, and double 6 days a week on the days other than the long run. Lastly, easy days easy and hard days hard. That's the "secret" to doing your best as a runner, the trivial details like how much mileage and what kind of workouts you find out through trial and error for yourself individually because everyone responds to training stimulus differently.

I don't think he's looking for a shortcut by working out 4 hours a day.

Bob Deines only trained once a day, 2 hour run everyday and 3+ hours on the weekend for his long run. I don't know why jogging for 2 hours everyday will injure you, but two one hour jogs a day won't? I mean if you can hit the nail into the wood once, why hit it twice? As far as cycling, I don't know how much it will improve your running.

To quote Bob Deines:

"Starting in the summer of 1967," Bob said, "I upped my mileage to about 90 miles a week. I was getting 100 to 110 in 1968 and have stayed at about that. I've even slowed down the pace since then -- if you can believe that -- to 7:30 to 8:00 and sometimes slower, usually just running two hours a day and three to four hours on either Saturday or Sunday.

"I might add that I never run more than once a day. Double workouts are too much added effort for the benefits gained. I'd much rather get in one solid, long run than two shorter ones. Besides, all that showering and changing is a big waste of time."

http://www.joehenderson.com/longslowdistance/home.php?article=2208

If you dont mean running specific shape then youd do fine. Biking helps build the quads, some additional arm and back particurally if you ride from a standing position or crouched over the frame. Low intensity cardio is still good for you, and the lower calorie burn helps with maintaining muscle mass.

If you want aerobic intensity there is something called a block workout. You transition from running to biking, or biking to running, as in a triathlon. Say you biked for two hours directly after your run, might actually be too intensive but you'd sure boost endurance.

You'll end up with a cold or really run down.

robert678 wrote:

That's a terrible idea. 15 mph is real slow on a bike, hardly any aerobic benefit. And 2 hour runs are not sustainable for very long without injury. A 2 hour run should be limited to once a week as a long run.

You're looking for a short cut or a secret, but there are no short cuts and secrets in running. If you want to be a good runner, you run two fast workouts a week, a weekend long run, and double 6 days a week on the days other than the long run. Lastly, easy days easy and hard days hard. That's the "secret" to doing your best as a runner, the trivial details like how much mileage and what kind of workouts you find out through trial and error for yourself individually because everyone responds to training stimulus differently.

Totally respectfully disagree! - If the guy actually does this for say 3 months, he's going to be in fantastic shape - I don't think he's looking for a shortcut - he's doing 2 hour runs - the biking is just to make the process a little more fun and he can find and clock out different running routes and get a little extra fitness - one thing that is for sure - he won't be overweight that you can take to the bank - now if he were to get on here and say "hey guys, I'm going to do 'HIT' and that will get me on the podium in road races" then I'd disagree because HIT is a shortcut that doesn't work very well for a distance runner - HIT is better than doing nothing, but if this guy does what he says he'll do, he's going to be a front of the packer, or at minimum a top ten percenter. I wish him the best.

epicly good shape

Throwing ideas out there wrote:

What kind of shape could I get if I rode for 2 hours in the morning(about 30 miles) and ran 2 hours in the evening (about 15 miles) everyday.

Hard tp say. Do you even run or know how to ride a bike?

I ran for ~1:45-2:10 plus a longer run (~2:40) for 4 months with a down week every 5 weeks, then switched to speed work... I actually got slower!

Instead, I switched to doubling and varying my distance a little (some days 11 miles and a 5 mile for the second run, other times if I feel weak I'll take a down day /couple of days with a singled 4-6 mile run each day). It has made a huge difference for me. New PR's and I generally just feel more fit aerobically. I think my body just got used to running the same distance repetitively and stagnated.

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Throwing ideas out there wrote:

What kind of shape could I get if I rode for 2 hours in the morning(about 30 miles) and ran 2 hours in the evening (about 15 miles) everyday.

Hard tp say. Do you even run or know how to ride a bike?

Currently I run 70-90 miles, mostly in singles. And, yes I know how to ride a bike.

your shape would, most probably, remain the shape of a hominid. This shape presents a somewhat irregular rectangular appearance. This is a rectangle with dynamic rectangular appendages (i.e. arm and legs) and crested by an ovular form (cranium).

Good luck and keep us posted!

just another guy wrote:

your shape would, most probably, remain the shape of a hominid. This shape presents a somewhat irregular rectangular appearance. This is a rectangle with dynamic rectangular appendages (i.e. arm and legs) and crested by an ovular form (cranium).

Good luck and keep us posted!

Usually I hate these types of posts, when we all know what he's asking for in a word ("shape") and then some dork makes a comment using it in a different context. But this one got me, I LOL'd. Thanks.

Leadman

robert678 wrote:

That's a terrible idea. 15 mph is real slow on a bike, hardly any aerobic benefit. And 2 hour runs are not sustainable for very long without injury. A 2 hour run should be limited to once a week as a long run.

You're looking for a short cut or a secret, but there are no short cuts and secrets in running. If you want to be a good runner, you run two fast workouts a week, a weekend long run, and double 6 days a week on the days other than the long run. Lastly, easy days easy and hard days hard. That's the "secret" to doing your best as a runner, the trivial details like how much mileage and what kind of workouts you find out through trial and error for yourself individually because everyone responds to training stimulus differently.

sick of wannabe elites like you goin around throwin out broscience and wrong advice.. i use to be a cycler that biked 10mph 2 hours a day and never ran, first time i ran, ran under 3 hours in marathon. so it will get you in shape, dont around throwin out wrong advice again that you dont know what you're talkin about or ill have your ass banned from this site for life.

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robert678 wrote:

That's a terrible idea. 15 mph is real slow on a bike, hardly any aerobic benefit. And 2 hour runs are not sustainable for very long without injury. A 2 hour run should be limited to once a week as a long run.

You're looking for a short cut or a secret, but there are no short cuts and secrets in running. If you want to be a good runner, you run two fast workouts a week, a weekend long run, and double 6 days a week on the days other than the long run. Lastly, easy days easy and hard days hard. That's the "secret" to doing your best as a runner, the trivial details like how much mileage and what kind of workouts you find out through trial and error for yourself individually because everyone responds to training stimulus differently.

Not if the OP is mtn biking on rugged trails. 15mph would be moving.

Drop the cycling, and you'll be basically be training like YUKI MF KAWUACHI. Add the cycling, and it would be more like how Jack Foster trained. What kind of shape would you be in? Maybe sub 2:08-2:11 marathon shape. Just add a tempo run/race every week and once a week add some kind of interval workout.

Just my 0.02.

Throw in a little swimming and you'll be IM ready. Good luck

Throwing ideas out there wrote:

What kind of shape could I get if I rode for 2 hours in the morning(about 30 miles) and ran 2 hours in the evening (about 15 miles) everyday.

I've done almost that, switching cycling to skiing. And gotten into pretty good bike fitness solely by skiing (especially skate skiing), so it's kind of close that way. When I was 30, it was my first winter cross country skiing on race skis, having moved to AK for grad school. I had a lot of time on my hands just taking classes at the time. I had a two hour a day training habit since high school (still do, now at 49) mostly running, mostly easy. I sometimes get into a racing groove for the local weekly short trail/xc race series in the fall, but sometimes go years between races or hard workouts.

I wasn't quite ready to drop my running that winter season, though in later years, I'd sometimes stop running and just ski in the winter. I was a beginner skier learning on my own. I'd get back from a ski, eat a bit, then go back out within a half hour for a 2 hour run. I maxed out that winter (and lifetime) at a 27 hour training week - a two hour ski followed by a two hour run (always outside on snow) except for one workout that was 1 hour. I didn't do any fast runs all winter.

I had run and won a 7 mile trail race for fun the previous fall, but otherwise hadn't raced in two years. (Though that last race over two years prior was a 10K road race win in CA). I was persuaded to jump into the big local 5K that spring. The 5K had a decent 70-80 ft climb in the second mile that happned to lead up to the house where I lived. So to make sure I wasn't totally unprepared I did two sessions of hill repeats on that hill in the week and a half prior to the race, my only hard workouts in years. I ended up running 15:52 in the race.