The men's 1500 final at the U20 Champs lived up to the hype!! Manangoi 1, Ingebrigtsen 2. Tefera - no medal!!

El Keniano wrote:

And this is George from May this year. I know you think all black people look alike but, seriously?

https://twitter.com/Manangoi_Junior/status/1001148497066971141

Also, this 100% looks like a teenager to me.

Coevett wrote:

Here is the complete race :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8efFhVS08

Back to the race, did anyone else notice how Jakob wasn’t paying attention to Soget or Tefera but had his eye on George the whole time, covering all his moves, checking multiple times to see where he was, and actually boxing him in that last lap? And did you see the games he played with George in their heat? Me thinks he came here to race George (thinking gold and silver were a given) and got outkicked.

Ownerdown wrote:

Coevett

It must eat you up inside to recognize that Manangoi, an African, ran a MUCH smarter race than the Caucasian Ingebritsen. Inge ran a lot of extra distance like a fool.

Yup.

pasdgjadgjgad wrote:

I know this comment is going to get lost amongst the discussion about age cheating but back to the race itself, it really seemed to me like Ingebrigtsen made several moves throughout the race -- jumped inside, outside, moved up, fell back... compare that to Manangoi. Manangoi basically just sat there in good position and sprinted the last hundred meters. Seems like Ingebrigtsen just ran a poor race from a tactical standpoint. Probably not much he could do about it, got a bit unlucky, but my point is that the outcome was not a foregone conclusion. Great race.

I hadn’t seen your post. George had it worse than Jakob. He was boxed, lost momentum and actually checked his stride to get out and go around Jacob and Soget. Watch the race again.

El Keniano wrote:

Back to the race, did anyone else notice how Jakob wasn’t paying attention to Soget or Tefera but had his eye on George the whole time, covering all his moves, checking multiple times to see where he was, and actually boxing him in that last lap? And did you see the games he played with George in their heat? Me thinks he came here to race George (thinking gold and silver were a given) and got outkicked.

Jakob said in a postrace interview that he expected a tactical slow race, and had decided to stay behind saving energy, but that he became unsure of that decision just in front of the race due to prerace communication between african participants. The race developed faster than Jakob had initially anticipated.

When running midfield by the bar the whole race you run the risk of getting boxed in. Jakob followed the back of Soget on the beginning of the home straight which at the time was the optimal course. That George was boxed in was a lucky sideeffect that George could only blame himself for.

All hail wrote:

Jakob is da man

If Jacob is the man, what about Manangoi?

I am just wondering.

El Keniano wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Here is the complete race :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8efFhVS08

Back to the race, did anyone else notice how Jakob wasn’t paying attention to Soget or Tefera but had his eye on George the whole time, covering all his moves, checking multiple times to see where he was, and actually boxing him in that last lap? And did you see the games he played with George in their heat? Me thinks he came here to race George (thinking gold and silver were a given) and got outkicked.

I was up on my feet in the last 350 metres.

No I didn't watch the heats and no I didn't notice Jacob's paying attention to him.

This race was great!

Tefera is being destroyed slowly. I have no idea what is happening to him. He hasn't won a race in a long time despite his raw talent.

Now, he will have to face the older Manangoi and Cheruiyot and all these guys.

Ethiopia must be distraught although they have a star in the women's 800m.

Finally, letsrun fellows,

You guys love promoting the next 'big star' only for it to be extinguished by a Kenyan.

Jacob will have to contend with the Manangois until his retirement.

Soget is with it. He is coming up and set up this race nicely. He has a wonderful stride.

I don't believe that Hima Das is a woman. May be I am wrong.

2:05 start and ragged finish with a wide variety of ill-timed kicks is not a great race.

Tippers wrote:

Ownerdown wrote:

Coevett

It must eat you up inside to recognize that Manangoi, an African, ran a MUCH smarter race than the Caucasian Ingebritsen. Inge ran a lot of extra distance like a fool.

Yup.

It's just the way the race played out. He didn't want to get boxed in knowing that it was going to end in a mad sprint. Fact is, as you say he must have ran a fair bit more than George and still only lost by a fraction. Shame George is ducking him at Monaco, as I doubt there will be much bunching up there.

The odds of the Manangois AND Cheruiyot not failling a test in the next 10-15 years are pretty slim I'd say, just at the increasing rate top Kenyans are getting busted now. Remember that their ABP will only now be getting meaningful, and we know the testers are finally taking a closer look at the top Kenyans.

All three have the same coach, and all three are clearly the best (or best talents) in Kenya. Hopefully David Ouma is a true wonder coach and is producing these results clean, although some would be more cautious given the old truth that if most athletes are doping, then the best ones surely are.

The Manangois and Tim also have trained with Kiprop.. Maybe El K can tell us the exact relationship there.

Coevett wrote:

Tippers wrote:

Yup.

It's just the way the race played out. He didn't want to get boxed in knowing that it was going to end in a mad sprint. Fact is, as you say he must have ran a fair bit more than George and still only lost by a fraction. Shame George is ducking him at Monaco, as I doubt there will be much bunching up there.

Are you sure that Manangoi is ducking him? If I do not show up at your next race am I ducking you? Manangoi has bigger fish to fry than Inge.

Look at Tim's biceps in the above pic. Home grown potatoes and avoiding burn out by dragging tyres up 100m hills sure are the way to go.

Tippers wrote:

Coevett wrote:

It's just the way the race played out. He didn't want to get boxed in knowing that it was going to end in a mad sprint. Fact is, as you say he must have ran a fair bit more than George and still only lost by a fraction. Shame George is ducking him at Monaco, as I doubt there will be much bunching up there.

Are you sure that Manangoi is ducking him? If I do not show up at your next race am I ducking you? Manangoi has bigger fish to fry than Inge.

George has bigger fish to fry than Monaco? Can't believe he wasn't invited. At least in hindsight, it would have certainly added to the attraction of the race to have them duke it out again on that track.

It will be fun to watch a race containing George and Elijah AND Jakob and Felip. So many subplots, shame it wont quite happen this year at Monaco.

On rewatching, I think Justus Soget wasted almost as much energy as Tefera upfront but didn’t die as badly only narrowly losing to Jakob. He’s used to beating George in local meets and seemed pretty disappointed in the interviews I saw.

Coevett wrote:

George has bigger fish to fry than Monaco? Can't believe he wasn't invited. At least in hindsight, it would have certainly added to the attraction of the race to have them duke it out again on that track.

It will be fun to watch a race containing George and Elijah AND Jakob and Felip. So many subplots, shame it wont quite happen this year at Monaco.

Tefera is the only one that has proven a real contender when a race is paced at sub 3:30.pace.

The U20-final didn't proove much beyond indicating who has the best last lap and home straight kick.

Coevett wrote:

https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/files/2017/07/Timothy-Kitum-leads-Elija.jpg

So you reckon we should start a business selling needles to Ken......

age cheats out wrote:

Manangoi and Soget are cheats. Props to Jakob and the legit athletes. Hope to see this meet cleaned up in the future.

Sad thing is, there are probably a couple of clean 17-year-old kids in Kenya that could run 3:39 or whatever. But 25-year-old science experiments will always be chosen for this meet in their stead.

Nice hairline, Manangoi.

Got it.

Based in zero evidence, we can only conclude that black achievers cheat and white ones do not.

NativeSon wrote:

All hail wrote:

Jakob is da man

If Jacob is the man, what about Manangoi?

I am just wondering.

Managed by Rosa.

Draw your own conclusions.

Gott It wrote:

Got it.

Based in zero evidence, we can only conclude that black achievers cheat and white ones do not.

Dude. Welcome to LetsRun. Don’t bother with these nutcases. There are pages and pages here of them spewing their hate. LetsRun has become their new outlet now burning crosses and wearing sheets in public are frowned upon.