Not to worry. Seems I have already created an alias for you.
PS: I want that 1:25 :D
Not to worry. Seems I have already created an alias for you.
PS: I want that 1:25 :D
Got my workout in yesterday AND I just got 60 minutes in amidst the overtures of Typhoon Maria. For the geographically inquisitive, Taipei is located at the northern end of Taiwan. It looks like the eyewall will remain out to sea, sparing me the worst of it and the agricultural centers to the south will be spared the brunt of the storm. Still promises to be a dark and stormy night.
I meant to post this:
https://www.cwb.gov.tw/V7/observe/satellite/Data/s1p/s1p-2018-07-10-18-00.jpg
RGM - in what way do you think your training indicates you're behind? Just chronologically? Because you're already running the mileage of the traditional plan's peak, and your long run put me to shame last week. Also how do you plan to modify? I'm guessing more mileage is part of it, based on where you are now? Looks like you're starting in a good place.
Allen - The Hanson's book always makes me feel guilty about doing too much racing during a marathon build because they view it as a distraction. That said, they do have a 10 mile GMP + wu/cd for at least 13 mi total that's scheduled only 10 days out from the marathon with a pretty short taper following that. I could see a relaxed half marathon 15 days out working out ok...if it's kept relaxed and you skip a GMP workout either the week before or after. I wouldn't do it myself though, because I'm not the best at relaxing if it's a race. Know thyself.
Coach - I just got that Hudson book. Only like 50-60 pages in, but so far so good. Will be interesting to see where you take it.
Still Improving wrote:
jewbacca - Where in Saturday's run did you fit in that speed work? Either way 18mi + speed work looks legit.
Saturday was a double. The morning run was 5 easy, 8 x 40s hills, 1 mile easy, 8 x 200m track, cool down to 13.5. Evening run of 4.5. I'm not ready for 18 miles yet, let alone 18 milers with speed.
Jeff, stay safe. Looking forward to your Blair Maria video.
angryjohnny wrote:
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
It looks like we also have the answer to where AJ falls in the "Mary Ann vs. Ginger" debate.
Yeah but if I had a million dollars I wouldn’t have to choose...
https://youtu.be/A939QRRSNV4
Haha this is perfect. That blank stare really sells the scene.
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
The Hanson's book always makes me feel guilty about doing too much racing during a marathon build because they view it as a distraction. That said, they do have a 10 mile GMP + wu/cd for at least 13 mi total that's scheduled only 10 days out from the marathon with a pretty short taper following that.
The traditional rule-of-thumb is one day of recovery for each mile of a race, so even an all-out half marathon two weeks out is within that window. At age 32, probably safe enough. For me, it took a few weeks to bounce back from my spring half-marathon last year.
Yeah. I was sick for a week after my last half...
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
The Hanson's book always makes me feel guilty about doing too much racing during a marathon build because they view it as a distraction. That said, they do have a 10 mile GMP + wu/cd for at least 13 mi total that's scheduled only 10 days out from the marathon with a pretty short taper following that. I could see a relaxed half marathon 15 days out working out ok...if it's kept relaxed and you skip a GMP workout either the week before or after. I wouldn't do it myself though, because I'm not the best at relaxing if it's a race. Know thyself.
I'm a big believer in using races to build fitness provided that you are able to hold back. I might use them in place of a workout that ordinarily I would do on my own but I've also noticed that if you do this too often, you lose that racing edge where running next to someone else enables you to go faster with the same level of effort. Same goes for training with a group. For me the balance is struck right around once a month.
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
RGM - in what way do you think your training indicates you're behind? Just chronologically? Because you're already running the mileage of the traditional plan's peak, and your long run put me to shame last week. Also how do you plan to modify? I'm guessing more mileage is part of it, based on where you are now? Looks like you're starting in a good place.
Modifying a few ways, Gordon.
1) More mileage. Likely 55ish on average. I'll probably hit 20 a couple times. Mental barrier with 16 as the longest long run, even with the accumulated fatigue.
2) I'm easing into the intervals. Did my first workout yesterday, 10*400 with 400 easy jog btwn, rather than 12*400. Pace was solid at around 6:16, which I anticipate will drop as my interval experience picks-up and it's not 89 degrees. Will do 12*400 next week and 6*800 the following week. From there, will make a determination on whether I do 4*1200 or 3*mile.
3) I'm going to ease into the prescribed tempo paces, starting at 104% or somewhere along those lines instead of charging hard at 6:50 out of the gate. Planned 5 mile tempo tomorrow and 6 next week.
You're already nailing the paces, so that's where I see myself as behind. Your current year performance was also significantly better than my marathon debacle. I'm feeling great about mileage. Where I've run into trouble the past couple cycles is increasing both mileage and intensity at the same time. More strategic this time around.
Happy running to you!
Tall dark roast wrote:
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
The Hanson's book always makes me feel guilty about doing too much racing during a marathon build because they view it as a distraction. That said, they do have a 10 mile GMP + wu/cd for at least 13 mi total that's scheduled only 10 days out from the marathon with a pretty short taper following that. I could see a relaxed half marathon 15 days out working out ok...if it's kept relaxed and you skip a GMP workout either the week before or after. I wouldn't do it myself though, because I'm not the best at relaxing if it's a race. Know thyself.
I'm a big believer in using races to build fitness provided that you are able to hold back. I might use them in place of a workout that ordinarily I would do on my own but I've also noticed that if you do this too often, you lose that racing edge where running next to someone else enables you to go faster with the same level of effort. Same goes for training with a group. For me the balance is struck right around once a month.
Tdr: Very good point here.
OR - You mentioned Boston logistics. You might want to start with researching hotel accommodations and then work the rest from there. I would not wait too long since the longer you wait the less options you will have to choose from. I went with finish line and bus to the starting line convenience, but that is making a good dent in my discretionary budget. I plan to fly up since it is quicker and cheaper than the train. It is probably a bit far out to worry too much about booking travel.
Still Improving wrote:
OR - You mentioned Boston logistics. You might want to start with researching hotel accommodations and then work the rest from there. I would not wait too long since the longer you wait the less options you will have to choose from. I went with finish line and bus to the starting line convenience, but that is making a good dent in my discretionary budget. I plan to fly up since it is quicker and cheaper than the train. It is probably a bit far out to worry too much about booking travel.
Thanks for the input...I have been researching hotels heavily, and the rates are insane...$600+ per night for anything remotely close to Boston Common . For three nights, that is crazy money. Other than that, I do not know what to do, as I do not know my way around Boston, and would not know how to get to the bus loading area (Boston Common) in other ways. And if it takes too long to get there, then I am getting up even earlier in the morning. Should I cut it to two nights, and leave a little after the race on Monday?
In all, it sounds very complicated, even more so than NYC, and I thought that was pretty complicated.
I think Boston is less complicated than NYC for sure, although both have their challenges.
While the convenience of being near the finish is tough to overstate, and while the benefits include experiencing the vibe of the city during marathon weekend, if your goal is to experience the race itself, you can probably find a fairly reasonably priced Air BNB out toward Hopkinton and then get a cab or uber to the starting line, and then you can take the T back after the race or splurge for a cab or uber since you will be saving so much on a hotel. I think it detracts from the experience some, but you still get the experience of running Boston, and if that is the only way to make it work financially, it is a tradeoff that you can probably live with.
Thanks, Smoove...So, bus transport to the start is not mandatory? I can take a cab instead?
Smoove wrote:
... if your goal is to experience the race itself, you can probably find a fairly reasonably priced Air BNB out toward Hopkinton and then get a cab or uber to the starting line, and then you can take the T back after the race or splurge for a cab or uber since you will be saving so much on a hotel. ...
I was about to suggest the same. Admittedly it was a while ago, but last time, my wife and I stayed a good ways either west or north of Hopkinton. Maybe 45 mins away, no big deal. My wife dropped me off at the high school on the morning, and we connected after the race in Boston. That was a bit of a nightmare for her, but if you're going solo, and using Uber, that's not an issue.
I was stopped at the high school, then the marathon bus to the corral area.
Dropped, not stopped! Although they probably would have stopped me ...
Tall dark roast wrote:
Gordon Tremeshko wrote:
The Hanson's book always makes me feel guilty about doing too much racing during a marathon build because they view it as a distraction. That said, they do have a 10 mile GMP + wu/cd for at least 13 mi total that's scheduled only 10 days out from the marathon with a pretty short taper following that. I could see a relaxed half marathon 15 days out working out ok...if it's kept relaxed and you skip a GMP workout either the week before or after. I wouldn't do it myself though, because I'm not the best at relaxing if it's a race. Know thyself.
I'm a big believer in using races to build fitness provided that you are able to hold back. I might use them in place of a workout that ordinarily I would do on my own but I've also noticed that if you do this too often, you lose that racing edge where running next to someone else enables you to go faster with the same level of effort. Same goes for training with a group. For me the balance is struck right around once a month.
Do you mean that running races as a workout causes you to lose the racing edge or just racing in general? I'd agree with the former but not the latter. If anything I normally need a race or two to get into the right competitive mindset after a period of not racing, although I've tried to address that this year by doing some time trials and race modeling workouts.
I also don't see how training with others can cause you to lose that competitive edge. The danger of a training group normally seems to be racing each other in training.
Isnt there an old saying " if three people are running together, two are running the wrong pace"
