Fastest 10000m this year is presently 27:19.6. You have to go all the way back to 1988 (27:21) to see a slower WL

I don't think I mocked you over Langford. He's a great athlete. I just think your points are generally quite rubbish so any statements about Langford would have been to point out when you are wrong.

How would they run fast times in february/march? Where is the opportunity? What diamond leagues are there in march?

This season is strange, next season will be back to normal for all athletes.

Kenyan apparently sent their d-grade runners to Queensland.

The WL time might fall today. Rhonex Kipruto definitely has what it takes to beat it. However he lacks competition in the U20 world champs.

I'm starting a new training group in Iten and asked him to join, although it's not yet confirmed i got some insight in his training. The guy is a beast, i think he could run 26:50 in the right race.

ex-runner wrote

This season is strange, next season will be back to normal for all athletes.

...you keep believing that.

In 2006, for example, there were:

33 sub 13 performances in the 5000m

13 sub 27:18 performances in the 10000m

What is "normal"?

Ggjgjgjhj wrote:

ex-runner wrote

This season is strange, next season will be back to normal for all athletes.

...you keep believing that.

In 2006, for example, there were:

33 sub 13 performances in the 5000m

13 sub 27:18 performances in the 10000m

What is "normal"?

The season is strange. Not the times. The times are expected like I said.

What is strange about this season is there is no major champs for Americans so many of them simply took an easier season (Christian Taylor is running the 400m for Christ's sake), and the major champs for the rest of the world was back in April. After which many competitors are physically and mentally drained leading to slower times in the summer.

Many Europeans have been focusing on the upcoming European champs and training through rather than tapering for races and lots of Brits are attempting a double peak after Commies for the Euros.

Middle Eastern athletes haven't had anything to aim for and Samba and Barshim are clearly reaping those benefits of a free season for them.

It's a weird season. Fans who don't understand this sport make wild accusations about doping based on patterns they have invented. Correlation is not causation. A comparison from 12 years ago might be different, I'd have expected and hoped anti-doping improved significantly since then. Comparing last year to this year with no new testing processes in place?

Nonsense.

No the world lead is 27:19.36

Semiler wrote:

No the world lead is 27:19.36

Perhaps you need to understand there was no Pre 10,000 this year. If there was then obviously there would be up to a dozen under that time. The reality is there are few 10,000s. And no-one chasing qual times.

Wise up.....

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

The WL time might fall today. Rhonex Kipruto definitely has what it takes to beat it. However he lacks competition in the U20 world champs.

I'm starting a new training group in Iten and asked him to join, although it's not yet confirmed i got some insight in his training. The guy is a beast, i think he could run 26:50 in the right race.

27:21 to win World Juniors by 19 seconds

I bet the average person outside of any commonwealth country (or even in it) probably has no idea who won the 10k or any event at those games.

Does anyone remember the Pan-American games either?

Top 3 in the world 1988

800m

1. Johnny Gray USA 1.42.65

2. Jose Luiz Barbosa Brazil 1.43.20

3. Steve Cram GB 1.43.42

1500m

1. Steve Cram GB 3.30.95

2. Jim Spivey USA 3.31.01

3. Said Aouita Morocco 3.32.69

3000ms/c

1. Julius Kariuki Kenya 8.05.51

2. Peter Koech Kenya 8.06.79

3. Mark Rowland GB 8.07.96

5000m

1. John Ngugi Kenya 13.11.70

2. Dieter Baumann E Germany 13.15.52

3. Jose Regalo Spain 13.15.62

10000

1. Brahim Boutayeb Morrocco 27.21.26

2. Eamonn Martin GB 27.23.06

3. Salvatore Antibo Italy 27.23.55

Marathon

1. Belayneh Dinsamo Ethiopia 2:06:50

2. Ahmed Sala Djibouti 2.07.07

3. Abebe Mekonnen Ethiopia 2.07.35

another age cheat?

As many others have noticed, there has been no really strong 10000m this year. You have to realize that almost nobody goes for a fast time alone. R. Kipruto and J. Kiplimo may be the future, but they have not be given any chance to go sub 27 so far. In the last years, many Kenyans ran fast times hanging on behind the big guns.

You conveniently forget to say that Kenyans have been more numerous to run sub 28 on the roads compared to the first half of 2017, and that includes a 27:08 by Kipruto in hilly Central Park. From what I know, it should be worth less than 27 on the track. And Kamworor was around 27' in the last 10km of the half marathon world championship.

You don't want to hear it, but without generous shoe contracts, professional runners from Africa need to win races (mostly road or DL, but there are no DL 10000m) and the times don't matter too much except to get invitations or break CRs.

As a matter of fact, I think that Cheptegei or Rhonex Kipruto will go sub 26:40 one day. If they don't get good conditions on the track, it will be a 10km road world record. (You heard it here first.)

One last thing: the total numbers of Kenyan immigrants in the UK or Australia don't mean much since only small parts of Kenya produce runners.

Exactly, no big name is running the 10000m (no Geb, no Tergat, no Bekele, no Mo), so race organizers are not going to bore their fans with a 27 minute race which will be 45 second+ slower than the world record and won by a guy they never heard of.

Reality is that there were many years since 1988 where there were no WC or Olympics...

The reason is that there is no star attraction this year.

They had a 10000 in Oslo, hardly anyone/No One (Meaning World Class) decided to run , Also does Portland have a 10000 this year? Portland was supposed to be so World Class runners could find a fast 10k after Brussells? Ivo Van Damme stopped having it, but no one good showed up and no one broke 28, there is still Zatopek in December and also Japan has some time trials and Europe did have a 10000 won in 27:36 it was slow because there are not many good distance runners in Europe anymore (Not counting Africans running for European countries Like Turkey and France to a lesser extent)

Forgive me, but "currently" means "now," while "presently" means "soon."

Montesquieu wrote:

Forgive me, but "currently" means "now," while "presently" means "soon."

Were on letsrun, not letsuseproperenglish.

To quote Roger Daltry, "who are you?"

Coevett wrote:

800m number of Kenyans under 1:45.5

2016 - 13

2017 - 12

2018 - 11

1500m number of Kenyans under 3:35

2016 - 7

2017 - 10

2018 - 5

5000m number of Kenyans under 13:10

2016 - 5

2017 - 2

2018 - 1

10000m number of Kenyans under 28:00

2016 - 23

2017 - 17

2018 - 6

I'm detecting a pattern here...

Well it's easy to explain, increased testing. They've gone from zilch to pathetic, when they increase it to Russian levels then we'll have a scandal. And then there is Ethiopia, which is worse. ?

Very poor if you actually think this.

Correlation is not causation. This is an absolutely useless stat. I've already pointed out how this season has been strange with the Commonwealth games being in April. I'd expect faster times to come later this season as athletes try to achieve double peaks, or fast times will not materialise at all this season.

Next year is a normal championship year for the whole world and times will return to 2016/2017 levels.

Testing has not improved in Kenya . Only fools come here and say this every individual meeting where we see slower times.

Last year in London I think even the editors of this site talked about 'slower sprint times perhaps relating to better testing' in London 2017. And now this year is one of the best for sprinting we've seen in a few years. Few under 9.90, three 19.69 runs, few 43s and 46.98.

A few posters this year such as mindweak and covevett and I think yourself telling everyone that times under 3:30 won't be seen again because testing has increased as seen with Kiprop and then Cheryuoit just runs 3:29.

Stop being foolish.