help me go from chump to champ with mega miles

Keep it off the crete -- run on that Golf Course!

i see you live in flatland, run some hills

hhnhnng wrote:

You have the right idea but you need to be more conservative. It's going to take a lot longer to build up to 120 and safely sustain that kind of mileage.

This is the right answer. Those who are speaking against high mileage simply lack dedication.

Go for it, but why not aiming for 140-150 mpw

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Would you like the very best advice for you? Well……stop thinking of running improvement in terms of how much you have to run every week. Instead concentrate on the 3 most important factors for the result ! They are maxVO2-pace, lactate threshold pace and aerob power pace. If you repeat these 3 factors week after week you are guaranteed to improve.Sounds too easy in many ears, but why complicate things that don`t have to be complicated? The best thing is to not use any training log …..just train week after week with the same basic content, one maxVO2-intervall, one LT-intervall and in between recovery distance at the very best individual aerob power pace.

The 1990s called....they want their training theory back.

I think you should go for it. You're young, you seem dedicated. Don't look back 10 years from now and say, "I wish I would have tried it".

Keep the doubles. Maybe as you get stronger, you can transition into some longer singles. Don't try to get to 100 so fast. Lock in at that 60-80 range for a month or two. Then after you've adapted, try going up again. Maybe you get to 100 by Thanksgiving or something.

I wouldn't try any races or anything just yet and if you do, don't be surprised if you aren't much faster than you were in high school. Give it time. Keep the once a week faster run in the mix. As you get more fit, you should see that thing getting faster while keeping the same effort. Run strides 2-3 times per week and do some auxiliary strength training. (See the Jay Johnson site. His SAM series videos are pretty good.

The Way We Were wrote:

hhnhnng wrote:

You have the right idea but you need to be more conservative. It's going to take a lot longer to build up to 120 and safely sustain that kind of mileage.

This is the right answer. Those who are speaking against high mileage simply lack dedication.

Except for all those people who tried the high mileage plan and ended up injured and/or not particularly fast.

JoeG. wrote:

Go for it, but why not aiming for 140-150 mpw

+1

7/2 – 7/8

Monday: 5 miles 7:10 pace AM, 6 miles 7:07 pace NIGHT

Tuesday: 4 miles 6:55 pace AM, 6 miles 7:02 pace NIGHT

Wednesday: 7 miles 7:09 pace @3:00 PM, 4 miles 6:26 pace NIGHT

Thursday: 6 miles 7:00 pace @7:00 PM, 4 miles 6:57 pace NIGHT

Friday: 6 miles 7:00 pace AM, 6.0 miles 6:51 pace NIGHT

Saturday: 10 miles 7:25 pace NIGHT

Sunday: 6 miles 6:46 pace AM

Total: 70.5 miles 7:00 average pace

Good week. Feel strong. No major pain. Might run 4-6 miles tonight if I am feeling like it.

Goal for next week: 75-85 miles. Probably going to slow it down a bit.

In response to some of the posters, maybe I will work up to 140 instead of 120. 10 miles AM 10 miles PM. Like Mark Nenow and Frank Shorter.

Not going to do any races/workouts for at least the next 5 or 6 weeks.

wiz khalifa wrote:

7/2 – 7/8

Monday: 5 miles 7:10 pace AM, 6 miles 7:07 pace NIGHT

Tuesday: 4 miles 6:55 pace AM, 6 miles 7:02 pace NIGHT

Wednesday: 7 miles 7:09 pace @3:00 PM, 4 miles 6:26 pace NIGHT

Thursday: 6 miles 7:00 pace @7:00 PM, 4 miles 6:57 pace NIGHT

Friday: 6 miles 7:00 pace AM, 6.0 miles 6:51 pace NIGHT

Saturday: 10 miles 7:25 pace NIGHT

Sunday: 6 miles 6:46 pace AM

Total: 70.5 miles 7:00 average pace

Good week. Feel strong. No major pain. Might run 4-6 miles tonight if I am feeling like it.

Goal for next week: 75-85 miles. Probably going to slow it down a bit.

In response to some of the posters, maybe I will work up to 140 instead of 120. 10 miles AM 10 miles PM. Like Mark Nenow and Frank Shorter.

Not going to do any races/workouts for at least the next 5 or 6 weeks.

Sounds good, one thing I would do if I was you is when you make a huge jump in mileage is to take it nice and easy at first before pushing the pace. When I first did 100 miles a week I went from about 60 miles per week to a 100. How did I not get injured? At first all my mileage was around a 8 minute pace. So, that my body got use to the volume. Remember your body can only handle so much as far as training stimulus changes. So when you make a jump in volume, decrease the pace of the easy runs, for a period of time.

Yeah next week I'll probably average closer to 7:30 pace instead of 7:00.

Also, I would like to add a mental trick I do is to train by time, not mileage. So instead of aiming to run 120-140 miles a week, aim to run 2+ hours a day. It is less daunting when you look at it as just 2+ hours a day vs 16 -20+ miles a day.

Nothing daunting about 16-20 miles per day as long as I am not hurt. 16-20 miles per day will be fun. If it's too much I'll split it into 3 6 mile runs like Karel Lismont.

Following along youngster good luck with it..but id be slowing those easy runs down further

I loved ur dedication to phife diggity RIP

https://youtu.be/j4aHSOqDpDc

You can be the next Ian Edwards.

Or the next Galen rupp

why not the next Kipchoge

just do it bro

yon wrote:

You can be the next Ian Edwards.

Wasn't he the guy on the boards who wound up with some sort of nerve damage?

My two cents is that progressing to 100+ mile weeks takes discipline, consistency and patience. OP, with any ambitious training program, you have to consider risk v. reward -- and given that your last year of running apparently totaled 1000 miles or less, trying to progress to 100 mpw by the middle of September is unnecessarily risky. The probable outcome is injury, but even if you don't get injured, your body won't adapt any faster at 100 mpw than it would to, say, 60 or 70 mpw. In fact, your body at this point in time will probably adapt more slowly at 100 mile weeks than it would on the lower mileage because you'll tear your body down faster than you can reasonably recover from the excess stress.

If you really want to "go from chump to champ with mega miles," take a longer-range perspective on your running. Instead of trying to progress to some magical weekly number as quickly as possible, think in terms of years, not weeks or months. Maybe Google Japanese marathon training and research the progression of their athletes through their late teens and early 20's. Think about how you can prepare your body for the stresses of 5000+ mile years somewhere down the road.

Good luck.

If I get too tired, I will back off. The plan to quickly get to 100+ is tentative. There is no magical number. I am just going to continue to run more until I stop getting faster from running more.

aim for Tokyo bro