Can we stop the hype about Gwen Jorgensen ?

Should have "sticked" with the triathlon?!? Are you an idiot??

running commenter wrote:

Should have "sticked" with the triathlon?!? Are you an idiot??

No but you are obviously... I am not a nativ english speaker and english is my 4th language and I am trying to express myself anyway... If you feel like I am "stupid" just read it and go on but this nonsense of a comment is just a waste of time !

Not starting this thread would have been the first step to stopping the hype.

Overtrained. Plain and simple.

Adrenal suppression wrote:

Overtrained. Plain and simple.

Is it that, really? She doesn't look like she knows _how_ to run. In the USAs and at Peachtree her sloppy, lumbering form stood out. That's gotta hurt her more in the marathon than it has in these races.

Phantasy Star wrote:

...She doesn't doesn't bring the results to back it up. Tons of "random" women can crush her at this point. She'll be chewed up and spit out the back of the marathon trials.

On the "positive" she's brought attention to what a lightweight country club event the tri is. Toss a triathlete into a real running race and they get boned. Badly.

An two world championships and an Olympic gold medal seems like pretty good results to back up the "hype" she gets as an athlete. If by "Tons of "random" women" you mean only 3 US women in the 1/2 marathon national championships and only 4 US women at the 10K national championships have beaten her in distance events that are not the focus of her training, then I concede your point.

track nut wrote:

Phantasy Star wrote:

...She doesn't doesn't bring the results to back it up. Tons of "random" women can crush her at this point. She'll be chewed up and spit out the back of the marathon trials.

On the "positive" she's brought attention to what a lightweight country club event the tri is. Toss a triathlete into a real running race and they get boned. Badly.

An two world championships and an Olympic gold medal seems like pretty good results to back up the "hype" she gets as an athlete. If by "Tons of "random" women" you mean only 3 US women in the 1/2 marathon national championships and only 4 US women at the 10K national championships have beaten her in distance events that are not the focus of her training, then I concede your point.

I think she is doing OK for coming off pregnancy and her first real year of running, but its definitely showing the low level of run performance at the top level of female triathletes. She was dominant as a triathlete winning by massive margins on the run and now is getting beat badly by second tier marathoners.

Realistically, Sara Hall is a 5th-6th place finisher at the next trials on her best day. She also ran a 1:09 half 3 days ago in AUSTRALIA, so is anything but fresh and still beat Jorgensen easily.

Huddle, Hasay, Flanagan, Desi are the class of USA marathoners, Bruce, Hall, Aliphine, Goucher are good but not on the same level. So saying only 3 women beat her in the 1/2 and 4 beat her here today is quite misleading, those fields were watered down and doesn't show the true strength of the USA marathon field.

While, I have said she has a zero percent shot of winning Olympic marathon gold, I 100% disagree with the OP. I love talking about her. It's interesting to talk about as we don't know how it's going to workout. For the rest of running, nowadays in the year 2018 with there being so much info out there, we kind of know how it's going to play out. With Gwen, we don't really know. Moving on.

knee high socks wrote:

I think she is doing OK for coming off pregnancy and her first real year of running, but its definitely showing the low level of run performance at the top level of female triathletes.

Are you crazy? She's run 15:15 this year - less than a year after giving birth. The US leader is 15:13. You call that "doing OK?" I call it doing incredible. The issue seems to be she's not doing as well at the longer distances.

She is not good enough to make the team. There are at least 10 women faster than her.

She’s performing pretty consistent with what you’d expect based on her results as a NCAA runner. Not sure why we should expect more.

rojo wrote:

? She's run 15:15 this year - less than a year after giving birth. The US leader is 15:13. You call that "doing OK?" I call it doing incredible. The issue seems to be she's not doing as well at the longer distances.

well nearly forgot about this one ! this was a crazy effort and to be honest I was really impressed by that one !

But after this she kept on running behind expectations however she is more of an headline than Bruce who actually won the race !

Her running technic seems to be non efficient for the longer stuff

Has it something to do with post birth problems (heavier upper body due to breastfeeding)

She was always very low on body fat but seems to have gone down even more after switching to running which seems an issue for me as well !

I will not see her make any team or a podium on a normal day at US Champs

I don't see her finish a marathon even close to a time making her a contender for the trials in 2020 this fall

We should focus more on people who delivered on the day !

Bruce got that win might not be an impressive one neither but she deserves it and I feel happy for her !

NCAA results wrote:

She’s performing pretty consistent with what you’d expect based on her results as a NCAA runner. Not sure why we should expect more.

I think he means the hype is not commensurate with the performance. I would agree. I'd say savvy veterans like Stephanie Bruce have a better chance of making the team than Jorgensen. It is also surprising that Bruce hardly gets any publicity or love on these boards, where folks love blue collar athletes. The Bruces are as blue collar as you can get.

I do not get why she chose to go from what is considered “middle distance” in the tri world to marathoning. She was competing in races lasting well under 90 minutes. Other than money (which in get) I don’t understand the big jump in distance. She clearly seems to have the speed for a 5k/10ker. And not the endurance or ability to hold up to 100+ training weeks.

rojo wrote:

Are you crazy? She's run 15:15 this year - less than a year after giving birth. The US leader is 15:13. You call that "doing OK?" I call it doing incredible. The issue seems to be she's not doing as well at the longer distances.

SB runner. wrote:

NCAA results wrote:

She’s performing pretty consistent with what you’d expect based on her results as a NCAA runner. Not sure why we should expect more.

I think he means the hype is not commensurate with the performance. I would agree. I'd say savvy veterans like Stephanie Bruce have a better chance of making the team than Jorgensen. It is also surprising that Bruce hardly gets any publicity or love on these boards, where folks love blue collar athletes. The Bruces are as blue collar as you can get.

+1

I really enjoyed watching Bruce and Lagat race today. Those late race moves were incredible.

Did Jerry coach women at Wisconsin? It is disgusting the way Gwen hypes herself up and the way she uses her son to become popular. Put up some great performances on the road or track and this will give you the real hype needed to make the team.

[quote]Middle Distance Tri wrote:

I do not get why she chose to go from what is considered “middle distance” in the tri world to marathoning. She was competing in races lasting well under 90 minutes. Other than money (which in get) I don’t understand the big jump in distance. She clearly seems to have the speed for a 5k/10ker. And not the endurance or ability to hold up to 100+ training weeks.

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Jorgensen can just run away from a triathlon field without having to kick at the end. Not so in track 5/10k's. I imagine she went to the marathon because she and her coach knew she couldn't kick the last lap in tactical races. Can't make a national team and certainly can't medal if you can't kick.

Mark D. wrote:

SB runner. wrote:

I think he means the hype is not commensurate with the performance. I would agree. I'd say savvy veterans like Stephanie Bruce have a better chance of making the team than Jorgensen. It is also surprising that Bruce hardly gets any publicity or love on these boards, where folks love blue collar athletes. The Bruces are as blue collar as you can get.

+1

I really enjoyed watching Bruce and Lagat race today. Those late race moves were incredible.

Did Jerry coach women at Wisconsin? It is disgusting the way Gwen hypes herself up and the way she uses her son to become popular. Put up some great performances on the road or track and this will give you the real hype needed to make the team.

She doesn’t use her some to become popular. She posts about her son on social media the same way lots of parents do, she just has a larger platform. That’s not the bad thing you think it is.

No. We cannot stop the hype about Gwen Jorgensen. Thank you for asking.

Hype Monitor wrote:

No. We cannot stop the hype about Gwen Jorgensen.

We can only hope to contain it?

Critic. wrote:

She is not good enough to make the team. There are at least 10 women faster than her.

Uh, she was only 29 seconds behind Hall , who is the odds on favorite to win the thon trials . She certainly is in the conversation . She wasn’t even a full time runner 14 months ago .