Timothy Cheruiyot runs 3:29 FTW in Paris!!

mind naive

IGF-1 LR3 , THE speed peptide

aduck2022 wrote:

mind naive

IGF-1 LR3 , THE speed peptide

Is this what you're talking about?

How much does this "speeeeeed" peptide cost?

Renato Canova wrote:

But, about Ronald, I'm sure 100% he is completely clean, and never took anything. Also, I saw all his OOC test, and his off-score are widely under the suspicious levels.

Do tell us, you can't just come in here and tease us about his OFF-SCORE and then not reveal it.

Passport Era Data wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Heard it here first. Silas Kiplagat's own coach can't be sure if he is clean

3:27 is on the edge of impossible. 3:28 low is the clean limit.

Kiplagat appeared on the FB leaked WADA document from 2016 as "likely doping" with a (+++) priority rating. Under the notes though, there's no indication to test for an "ESA," so I'm not sure if he's suspicious under the steroid module as opposed to a hematological red flag?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/07/say-aint-fancy-bears-hack-reveal-many-track-fields-biggest-stars-likely-doping-see-latest-fancy-bears-documents/

Last night I could have sworn that "ex-runner" was really "Rekrunner" or "now there's two of them" but I must admit he is making a lot of sense here.

ex-runner wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

It's very rare, like I always said, and only a few people. If it happens again soon, it'll probably be Cheruiyot again.

Wasn't even referring to you but thanks for reminding everyone that this was also your idea.

Idea? It's a fact, not something anyone thought up.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

How much does this "speeeeeed" peptide cost?

I would think aduck would know since he's probably the most researched on the speed peptide. M!ndweak might also know - but is he going to post anymore? ? (He usually makes long posts on Mondays after taking the weekends off from posting).

You can lose the condescending attitude because it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

I never claimed or implied that one needs to be an expert in order to be suspicious. If your reading comprehension is that poor, I can't help you.

I'm well aware of the doping situation in Kenya. You don't need to tell me that Kiprop is 3rd all time behind El Guerrouj and Lagat, and that the three of them are the only men to have run sub 3:27. All of this is common knowledge. As for the last bit, only Kiprop has tested positive. Saying that all three have failed drug tests simply isn't true.

I'm criticizing arrogant scumbags like you who have an inflated sense of their own intelligence. The number of people in this thread who speak with authority on who is clean and who is dirty, set arbitrary standards that, when surpassed, indicate drug use beyond a shadow of a doubt, and in general offer nothing but worthless conjecture is astonishing.

And you know what you're talking about? Lol.

C'mon man...you insinuated it and you know it - quiting screwing around! And it's clear in your little arrogant statement to boot: "The majority of posters on threads like these are imbeciles."

Huh? I said Kiprop tested positive for EPO! What's wrong with your reading comprehension. The other two, IMO, are highly suspicious despite no doping positives, especially EL G. El G comes from a country with a very strong doping culture (nothing new there). Morroco has had 38 doping positives since 03 and 10 ABP sanctions for hematological anomalies since 09 (2nd only to Russia's world leading 50+). Big names with Morroco have gone down over the years with EPO busts, e.g., Ramzi, Mourhit, Boulami, Laâlou, etc. Morroco is also listed as the #6 country on the IAAF suspicious blood values list that was leaked a few years ago. And just recently another doping ring was broken up in Spain that contained a Morrocan branch. Lol. FFS, the Morrocans just won't quit doping! ?

Yeah...sure; and you're not a wiseass with that imperious attitude that people shouldn't have any suspicion of athletes from a country with growing doping problem and corruption, that has been documented with so many articles & reports it not even funny! Does corruption register in your limited degree of common sense? Does Rosa mean anything to you?

Kenya has got a doping problem!...FFS, wake up and smell the coffee!

Let's be fair about this wrote:

Just one minute here: If your Brit boys, Coe & Cram, could run 3:29 presumably clean then why can't Cheryouit?

None of them ran 3:29 clean - try to keep up.

Partridge wrote:

Just curious, what do you think is the best 1500 m performance possible without doping?

When everyone runs 3:30 and few runners are clearly faster (like ElGuerrouj, Lagat...) they must be doping of course. If everyone runs just 3:32-3:34 now and someone runs 3:29 (Cheruiyot) he must be doping, too.

So the point is that it's all relative. If someone is better than others, he is suspicious. However, there will always be someone the best 1500 m runner at that time, regardless of which kind of doping and which kind of testing procedure is in use, actually. And that runner would always be suspected by others who can not imagine that performance is possible...

Well, depending on whom you ask, some 20 - 80% are doping. What are the odds that the one who wins by 3 seconds over 1500 is clean? I for one would bet against it.

kidding much? wrote:

Let's be fair about this wrote:

Just one minute here: If your Brit boys, Coe & Cram, could run 3:29 presumably clean then why can't Cheryouit?

None of them ran 3:29 clean - try to keep up.

What's the general consensus on those guys? Are you saying none of them ran 3:29 clean? If so, you better be prepared to get into a heated debate with Deanouk & Coevett - both these guys get pretty annoyed when people become suspicious of their British heros. And just what is the cleanest 1500 time possible? Does anyone really know or does it depend on where their favorite runners are at?

No ambitious runner would ever only run 3:29 clean, because he could run 3:25 - 3:27 dirty with such a talent. Without a fear of getting caught, unless he'd let down his guard.

You think Coe & Cram weren't ambitious?

kidding much? wrote:

No ambitious runner would ever only run 3:29 clean, because he could run 3:25 - 3:27 dirty with such a talent. Without a fear of getting caught, unless he'd let down his guard.

You think Coe & Cram weren't ambitious?

All elite sportsmen and women are ambitious, they would t get to that position without it. So if you equate ambition with propensity to dope then everyone at that level does. However, there is no evidence to suggest either Coe or Cram doped. Both set WRs and won medals, which would require drug testing for ratification. Both were tested out of competition by UK Athletics from the early 80’s, and would have been 2 of the most tested athletes in the world during their time. Many female middle distance runners were caught doping in the 80’s, mainly steroids, which they respond well to. But where are all the male positives? It was a generally held belief at the time that Steroids were of no use to middle distance runners.

None of Coe’s or Cram’s peers tested positive, none of them believed either Brit doped. Both had long careers and displayed human frailties and injury/illnesses. Claims that they doped are based on nothing more than opinion and rumour.

what did i just read ,

hope it is satire

steroids are of no use to middle distance , think again .

and out of competition testing when ., exactly when .

both cram and coe clearly doped

and if cant see this then so be it .

look at the times ,

then and now ,end of story .

aduck2022 wrote:

what did i just read ,

hope it is satire

steroids are of no use to middle distance , think again .

and out of competition testing when ., exactly when .

both cram and coe clearly doped

and if cant see this then so be it .

look at the times ,

then and now ,end of story .

So was Cram doping when he ran a sub 4 minute mile at 17? His parents could hardly afford to buy him a pair of proper running shoes at the time. Maybe Brendan Foster was supplying him with the dbol?

So Coe is now president of the IAAF and one of the most famous sportsmen in British history. We love to tear down our heroes in GB. Tabloid journalists must have had so many goes at digging up doping dirt on him. Coe banned a country which has a president who has no qualms about using chemical weapons to kill enemies on British soil. Russian hackers also tried (successfully) to uncover doping dirt on current British and other athletes and cyclists. Yet still not the merest whiff of evidence that Coe ever doped. Your intution, however, beats the combined efforts of hacks and hackers, Putin and the Press, and you just know he doped (end of story).

Despite, Coe, Cram, Ovett being doped to the eyeballs with test and dbol, the guys who came after them ran slower despite EPO being legal and half the world drowning in it. Look at the times in the UK, 90s and 80s, end of story.

Why did Britain never produce a runner like Aouita? A guy who came out of nowhere at age 24, never got injured, and could set season's best from 800 to 10000 every week? All our guys had very natural progressions (and no links to doctors busted for supplying peds or caught telling athletes to take HGH).

If you asked a serious snooker fan who the top 4 players from the last 50 years were, you'd probably get the answer - Hendry, O'Sullivan, John Higgins, and Mark Williams. All four were playing more or less at the same time in the 90s nd early 00s. In fact at this years world championships the final was contested between Higgins and Williams (and O'Sullivan was the pre-tournament favourite). All three are I think 43 or 44 years old. They are still that much better than most of their younger rivals. The two questions snooker fans have to ask is what are the odds of 3 of the greatest players of all time being born in the same year or so, and what peds were they using and why aren't their younger rivals taking them? Or maybe it's just down to the rise and fall in popularity of snooker as a sport over the decades, a bit like middle-distance running in the UK?

kidding much? wrote:

No ambitious runner would ever only run 3:29 clean, because he could run 3:25 - 3:27 dirty with such a talent. Without a fear of getting caught, unless he'd let down his guard.

You think Coe & Cram weren't ambitious?

All three probably believed they could run 3:27 clean. In fact, all three have explicitly stated that in their autobiographies or in interviews. Furthermore, the world record was never faster than 3:29 during their careers.

It's also a bit of a stretch to say that clean guys could run 4 seconds faster without fear of getting caught, even if you are only referring to the supposed 'wild west' of the 80s.

You're projecting your own view of the world onto the entire human population. Because you would have no moral scrupals in cheating, you assume everybody else is like you, even when the financial rewards were less in the 80s and there was still a sense of 'fair play' at the heart of sport which was still only on the verge of turning away from an amateur philosophy.

There were evidently many fighters in the brutal sport of MMA who chose not to dope even when testing was a joke, and taking steroids was almost expected. Michael Bisping lost to many fighters who were later caught when stricter testing was introduced, or rules changed, in fact he was permanently maimed by one of the most notorious steroid users Vitor Belfort. Yet he still (it appears, and most fans accept this) never took peds, and as soon as proper testing was introduced he rose rapidly to become UFC champion after over a decade in the sport.

And to answer the question - 'if your Brit boys could run 3:29, why can't Tim?', of course it's possible that Tim could be gifted enough to run 3:29 clean. But it's probable, given the doping scandals engulfing Kenyan athletics, that he's doping. It's tragic for any Kenyan runners who are running these world class times clean to be tarred with the same brush, but that's the unfortunate aspect of being a runner in a country whose achievements have been totally discredited in the eyes most objective observers. If Coe, Cram, or Ovett were revealed to be dopers, I'd have my suspicions about all British middle-distance runners from that period. If Wightman or Langford tested positive, I'd publicly state my suspicions about British runners and wouldn't cry like a baby if guys like El K were calling Brits dopers.

And sorry, but Tim isn't helping his cause by bragging about breaking El G's record in the aftermath of Kiprop's bust and all the other scandals. Has he even mentioned Kiprop's bust? I'd have some sympathy for him if he stated that he wants to set a clean Kenyan 1500 record or such, but it appears that he just doesn't give a hoot what people think of him or the current corrupt state of Kenyan athletics.