I agree that Oregon has a certain mystique. They attract more elite track athletes than any other program. But they have really underperformed on the men's side.
I agree that Oregon has a certain mystique. They attract more elite track athletes than any other program. But they have really underperformed on the men's side.
Really good points. But something to consider is that Oregon doesn't have a history of giving many full-ride scholarships at all. They are masters of playing the "salary cap" game; getting athletes to come on partials and increasing them IF they prove their worth.
So current Oregon athletes are less likely to be on full ride scholarships than you might assume.
yah know wrote:
prob 1 out of 10 can academically qual for UW
78% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Good Points but wrote:
Really good points. But something to consider is that Oregon doesn't have a history of giving many full-ride scholarships at all. They are masters of playing the "salary cap" game; getting athletes to come on partials and increasing them IF they prove their worth.
So current Oregon athletes are less likely to be on full ride scholarships than you might assume.
I actually don't assume, I know you're right about Oregon not being generous. Part of the reason I think most will end up staying that I didn't highlight clearly enough. I'm willing to bet most of them didn't didn't accept a low-ball offer for the Powells...most accepted little to nothing for that Oregon mystique, those Oregon resources & "a chance to compete for Championships." They won't be competing for track & field championships at Washington any time soon...but right now, they aren't at Oregon...and COULD at Washington relatively quickly. Oregon CAN pull wonders with their academic aid that I know most Pac-12 schools can't...and I doubt Washington can either. But it is true, Oregon isn't going anywhere anytime soon & even if Washington can offer a full with the Powells (they probably don't have THAT much available), that may very well not be enough to pull an all-american away from almost nothing with Uncle Phil.
Quacking Louder wrote:
Forgot something...
"They won't be competing for track & field championships at Washington any time soon...but right now, they aren't at Oregon...and COULD at Washington *IN CROSS COUNTRY* relatively quickly."
Oregon is very generous. They provide 12.6 scholarships to men. That is the same amount that other major programs provide. It looks they aren’t able to manage them as well as 34 other schools though.
Oregon does a great job of getting top-tier runners to come for less of an offer than they might get elsewhere. If you're a high school stud with some full-ride offers on the table, Oregon might surprise you with an offer that's less wonderful - but depending on how many Prefontaine posters you have on your wall, you might still pack your bags for Eugene. ( A lot will depend on the new coaching staff at UofO, of course.) They do this because their scholarships get spread out across an entire track team, rather than focused on just the distance squad like at some schools (NAU for example is highly distance-focused, and on the women's side so is Providence and UNM). Fortunately for Oregon, the Oregon reputation (or brand if you will) is strong enough to overcome its relatively lower offers so many top athletes will still choose Oregon. Plus, if you want to go pro after college, Oregon has a good track record (get it?) in this area. Nonetheless, I bet we see some distance athletes that previously wouldn't have chosen UW now put it at or near the top of their list, and we see some big name defectors/transfers from Oregon over the next year.
Oregon is done wrote:
Oregon is very generous. They provide 12.6 scholarships to men. That is the same amount that other major programs provide. It looks they aren’t able to manage them as well as 34 other schools though.
Quacking Louder wrote:
It's possible the Powells were able to back channel word to their former athletes that they have money for them before they asked for permission to transfer this summer or list themselves in October. But technically that will now be a Level II NCAA violation starting in October that a coach almost certainly will get fired for. So moving forward, speaking in generalities, an athlete will not have a way to know if the program they want to transfer to has the money for them before they list themselves. They can only find out once the school they are at can yank their scholarship.
say Jess Hull waits to explore transferring until after next XC season & lists herself before finding out whether the Powells have any money (it's not all that likely they have unlimited money for these athletes available). Say she finds out that they don't have enough money for her to make the transfer work, then Robert Johnson says "forget you, I don't need your 10 points because I have 5 other potential national champions interested in transferring" & yanks her scholarship. Then she's out in the cold and either stays at Oregon for nothing or has to transfer to her back-ups.
That is interesting, albeit a very one sided regulation. It seems to me that if a coach could be fired for confirming that money would be available for a transfer -- then a coach should likewise be fire for pulling a scholarship before athletes confirm that they'll definitely be transferring. NCAA regulations are very one sided, in favor of coaches, to the detriment of the athletes.
Awesome ~ wrote:
Quacking Louder wrote:
It's possible the Powells were able to back channel word to their former athletes that they have money for them before they asked for permission to transfer this summer or list themselves in October. But technically that will now be a Level II NCAA violation starting in October that a coach almost certainly will get fired for. So moving forward, speaking in generalities, an athlete will not have a way to know if the program they want to transfer to has the money for them before they list themselves. They can only find out once the school they are at can yank their scholarship.
say Jess Hull waits to explore transferring until after next XC season & lists herself before finding out whether the Powells have any money (it's not all that likely they have unlimited money for these athletes available). Say she finds out that they don't have enough money for her to make the transfer work, then Robert Johnson says "forget you, I don't need your 10 points because I have 5 other potential national champions interested in transferring" & yanks her scholarship. Then she's out in the cold and either stays at Oregon for nothing or has to transfer to her back-ups.
That is interesting, albeit a very one sided regulation. It seems to me that if a coach could be fired for confirming that money would be available for a transfer -- then a coach should likewise be fire for pulling a scholarship before athletes confirm that they'll definitely be transferring. NCAA regulations are very one sided, in favor of coaches, to the detriment of the athletes.
Really? Than why did the athletes’ representation vote for this & the NCAA subsequently implement this over the objections of a vast majority of NCAA coaches & institutions?
Quacking Louder wrote:
Really? Than why did the athletes’ representation vote for this & the NCAA subsequently implement this over the objections of a vast majority of NCAA coaches & institutions?
Because it's an improvement ~ duh ~ better than it was but not close to being equitable yet.
screw oregon, i mean in a good way.
i mean track town needs a clean up from top to bottom.
in fighting, nike bully, doping, lana rama, you name it.
they are spoiled with success and money. now they bicker more than anything.
instead of going down like the roman empire, oregon, clean up your act. focus in the sport and
get rid of your shiitty politics.
then long live oregon and track town.
Old Ag wrote:
I agree. I don't think the Powells were much more than placekeepers. The real work is done by Lananna, Salazar, the University's long standing reputation and of course NIKE!
WRONG. Salazar is not coaching anyone on the Oregon team and hasn't since Rupp was in college. Lananna cannot coach collegians, being prevented since 2012 from doing so once Johnson became Director of T&F. Yes, he is involved with the program, but not with coaching athletes.
You may not think the Powells were the cream of the crop, but they were indeed much more than place-keepers. If they were only that, they wouldn't have still been on the Oregon staff.
I remember some Footlocker top 5 level boy a few years ago who skipped a big high school meet to retake the SAT. Apparently he was recruited to Oregon, but was eligible for a full academic scholarship if he scored like 1300 ( or something pretty average), which would free up more of the 12.6 scholarships. I have trouble imagining Washington could match that type of offer.
This has always been the mystery about Oregon’s men’s program... how they get all these national class guys in distance, sprints, and field events on only 12.6 scholarships. And most of them are from out of state so we’re talking a big tuition bill even with a partial athletic scholarship.
Connect the dots wrote:
This has always been the mystery about Oregon’s men’s program... how they get all these national class guys in distance, sprints, and field events on only 12.6 scholarships. And most of them are from out of state so we’re talking a big tuition bill even with a partial athletic scholarship.
You have failed to read at least a dozen posts on this thread. I'll try one more time. Lots of H.S. boys want very, very, much to be on the Oregon team. They will go there for less scholarship money than what other good T&F programs are offering them. They will go there for no scholarship money at all. They will go there with no commitment from the coaches whatsoever, hoping to be able to walk-on to the team at some point. It happens every year. This doesn't happen at most schools.
How the fukk do you turn a duck into a husky dog.
Banana Bread wrote:
How the fukk do you turn a duck into a husky dog.
Give it a brain.
Connect the dots wrote:
This has always been the mystery about Oregon’s men’s program... how they get all these national class guys in distance, sprints, and field events on only 12.6 scholarships. And most of them are from out of state so we’re talking a big tuition bill even with a partial athletic scholarship.
Again, if this were truly the case, they wouldn't suck so bad. Really if you take one single athlete, Edward Cheserek, off the results from the past 5 years, then the Ducks plain suck.
All thus drivel about OU supremacy is false. All this "talent" hasn't produced any "dominance", just fake news.
Yes, recruiting at Oregon on the distance side may be as easy as anywhere in the country. No where else has the history, the Nike support and the mystique of Eugene.
When Vin was at Stanford they did not give full rides to frosh, they did not have to, they are Stanford. The best of the best would go there for less with the ability to increase the offer by earning it. I would think the allure of Oregon on the running side would be just as strong.
Oh, have heard Pendergast is heading back to Harvard.
? all Americans the last 5 years
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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