i love how the word 'scholastic' in my post has been turned into an ad link. AMERI-CAAAW!
i love how the word 'scholastic' in my post has been turned into an ad link. AMERI-CAAAW!
Athletes miss a year if they transfer the first year. The NCAA just changed rules regarding releases but it doesn’t apply to incoming freshmen.
Who cares unless they bring over sprinters, which they arent.
prob 1 out of 10 can academically qual for UW
Since the end of the season two Ducks have asked to be released and neither is a distance runner. Also, the Ducks do not have to grant a release. If a release is not granted the athlete can leave, sit out a year and pay there own way at the new school during that year.
Do you really thing Oregon would say cool go to another Pac 12 school no problem. Who do you think they are UCLA?
Quack Quack duck wrote:
Since the end of the season two Ducks have asked to be released and neither is a distance runner. Also, the Ducks do not have to grant a release. If a release is not granted the athlete can leave, sit out a year and pay there own way at the new school during that year.
Do you really thing Oregon would say cool go to another Pac 12 school no problem. Who do you think they are UCLA?
Another option is to not enroll at Oregon or any other school that year and to just sit out. You are then open to the recruiting process for the next year which in this case would be the 2019-20 school year. You do not lose any eligibility and you still have your redshirt year too. Kind of sucks sitting out though. My oldest son did this same exact thing except he was a D1 soccer player. He tore his ACL just a week before school was to begin. He did go to the same school but technically he was eligible to go anywhere without any type of penalty.
Nobody went to Oregon because of the Powell's. Sure their being excellent coaches put's a nice shine on Oregon, and we know good coaching matters, but Oregon was OREGON before the Powell's and will still be OREGON afterwards. True dynasties, which Oregon is, by definition transcend any single or even small group of individuals.
I predict very few transfers.
Quack Quack duck wrote:
Since the end of the season two Ducks have asked to be released and neither is a distance runner. Also, the Ducks do not have to grant a release. If a release is not granted the athlete can leave, sit out a year and pay there own way at the new school during that year.
Do you really thing Oregon would say cool go to another Pac 12 school no problem. Who do you think they are UCLA?
This is not true. Katie Rainsberger has already requested & received a release to go to Pac-12 schools. And while it's true an athlete can choose not to enroll & sit out a year on their own, it does not stop/pause their five year clock to compete in four seasons. Short of a medical hardship waiver, this effectively becomes their "red shirt" year. Now, if the athlete has medical documentation that an injury directly caused them to not be able to compete that year, then they can essentially hit the "pause" button or "get that year back."
Starting in mid-October, any non-football or non-basketball athlete can leave whenever they want & be eligible to compete immediately, all they have to do is list themselves on a new internet database, they don't need permission from their school. This is the new NCAA legislation that was mentioned. However, the Power 5 just voted to be able to pull that athlete's scholarship the moment that athlete lists themselves on this database...regardless of whether that athlete finds a new school to transfer to or not. So those athletes better think long & hard about the decision before pulling the trigger.
Where’s Katie Rainsberger going? UW?
Five years from now, ten years from now, fifty years from now, 100 years from now Oregon will still be the pinnacle of running in the USA. Coaches will change, athletes will come and go but Oregon will be Oregon........you know, the place that actually cares about the sport. The place where the best pros train and live. The place that over and over hosts the best meets in the USA. The place that Nike was born and that has no qualms putting 200 million into a new stadium suitable for the World championships..
Gwalkerruns wrote:
Five years from now, ten years from now, fifty years from now, 100 years from now Oregon will still be the pinnacle of running in the USA. Coaches will change, athletes will come and go but Oregon will be Oregon........you know, the place that actually cares about the sport. The place where the best pros train and live. The place that over and over hosts the best meets in the USA. The place that Nike was born and that has no qualms putting 200 million into a new stadium suitable for the World championships..
**eyeroll**
Quacking Louder wrote:
Starting in mid-October, any non-football or non-basketball athlete can leave whenever they want & be eligible to compete immediately, all they have to do is list themselves on a new internet database, they don't need permission from their school. This is the new NCAA legislation that was mentioned.
They can finish the XC season at UW.
However, the Power 5 just voted to be able to pull that athlete's scholarship the moment that athlete lists themselves on this database...regardless of whether that athlete finds a new school to transfer to or not. So those athletes better think long & hard about the decision before pulling the trigger.
So what, who cares. They won't need a scholarship to Oregon when they're going to Washington.
I agree. I don't think the Powells were much more than placekeepers. The real work is done by Lananna, Salazar, the University's long standing reputation and of course NIKE!
Gwalkerruns wrote:
Five years from now, ten years from now, fifty years from now, 100 years from now Oregon will still be the pinnacle of running in the USA. Coaches will change, athletes will come and go but Oregon will be Oregon........you know, the place that actually cares about the sport. The place where the best pros train and live. The place that over and over hosts the best meets in the USA. The place that Nike was born and that has no qualms putting 200 million into a new stadium suitable for the World championships..
that all might be true, but you don't have to be so smug about it. oh wait, you're an oregon fan, so i guess you do. you're the best, we all kneel before you and thank you for your service.
Did you know that the Oregon men scored 8 points at nationals and placed 35th? Looks like real track schools these days are USC, Florida, Georgia, and Stanford. This isn't 1970.
Oregon is dead wrote:
Did you know that the Oregon men scored 8 points at nationals and placed 35th? Looks like real track schools these days are USC, Florida, Georgia, and Stanford. This isn't 1970.
Ouch. But accurate.
Total rumor but heard from someone who knows stuff.
Alberto has been writing many of the Oregon training programs for years.
Actually one could make the point that the Ducks are the biggest underperformers in men’s college track, considering how relatively few national titles they have given all the advantages they possess as enumerated above.
Gwalkerruns wrote:
Five years from now, ten years from now, fifty years from now, 100 years from now Oregon will still be the pinnacle of running in the USA. Coaches will change, athletes will come and go but Oregon will be Oregon........you know, the place that actually cares about the sport. The place where the best pros train and live. The place that over and over hosts the best meets in the USA. The place that Nike was born and that has no qualms putting 200 million into a new stadium suitable for the World championships..
Why do they suck so bad then?
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Quacking Louder wrote:
Starting in mid-October, any non-football or non-basketball athlete can leave whenever they want & be eligible to compete immediately, all they have to do is list themselves on a new internet database, they don't need permission from their school. This is the new NCAA legislation that was mentioned.
They can finish the XC season at UW.
However, the Power 5 just voted to be able to pull that athlete's scholarship the moment that athlete lists themselves on this database...regardless of whether that athlete finds a new school to transfer to or not. So those athletes better think long & hard about the decision before pulling the trigger.
So what, who cares. They won't need a scholarship to Oregon when they're going to Washington.
I was more talking about NCAA athletes in general, not specifically Oregon transfers to Washington. In this case you may be right. It's possible the Powells were able to back channel word to their former athletes that they have money for them before they asked for permission to transfer this summer or list themselves in October. But technically that will now be a Level II NCAA violation starting in October that a coach almost certainly will get fired for. So moving forward, speaking in generalities, an athlete will not have a way to know if the program they want to transfer to has the money for them before they list themselves. They can only find out once the school they are at can yank their scholarship. So they better be pretty sure they are done at their current school if they have reason to believe that coach will yank their scholarship (a school that sees itself competing for P5 conference championships & national championships like Oregon more often will) should they list themselves for transfer. So say Jess Hull waits to explore transferring until after next XC season & lists herself before finding out whether the Powells have any money (it's not all that likely they have unlimited money for these athletes available). Say she finds out that they don't have enough money for her to make the transfer work, then Robert Johnson says "forget you, I don't need your 10 points because I have 5 other potential national champions interested in transferring" & yanks her scholarship. Then she's out in the cold and either stays at Oregon for nothing or has to transfer to her back-ups.
All this said, the smug snobby Oregon fans posting here are probably mostly correct. Because money talks, Oregon will always be Oregon as long as Nike is always Nike & the NCAA is the NCAA remaining in its current form (THAT's the thing I wouldn't count on 10 years from now...much less 100 years from now). They will be able to find a very good distance coach(es) with that money & calm everyone with the jitters down (I'd be more worried about Robert's long term viability there after this year & the whispers of violations the last few years) & I do see most of their current distance athletes staying. Because most of them still probably came for Oregon. But they are IN FACT shopping themselves around just in case...