Now that they're both signed up for Chicago, I'm wondering if these two do most/some/little or no training together in Portland?
There are lots of intriguing storylines developing for this race and I wonder how they -- and Mo -- are approaching this marathon.
Pete Julian coaches Osako, would be surprised if Alberto has written a workout for him in years. Yomif is Rupp's training partner.
No wrote:
Pete Julian coaches Osako, would be surprised if Alberto has written a workout for him in years. Yomif is Rupp's training partner.
Galen did a workout with centro earlier this month.
So is there much/any interaction between Julian' s runners and Alberto's?
Or are they generally separate camps? (I realize Alberto has a tiny group now, yes?)
chicago.intrigue wrote:
So is there much/any interaction between Julian' s runners and Alberto's?
Or are they generally separate camps? (I realize Alberto has a tiny group now, yes?)
The track athletes certainly train together. Jenkins and Engels are with Centro and Clayton in Park City. I don't think Osako trains with Rupp though...
Alberto: Rupp, Centro, Murphy, Kejelcha, Hasay, Hassan
Julian: Rowbury, Osako, Jenkins, Engels
Shannon Rowbury hasn't retired yet?
I’m not sure but he’s always only had 6 or so runners. I think I heard Alberto doesn’t like to train more than 7 runners.
Victer wrote:
chicago.intrigue wrote:
So is there much/any interaction between Julian' s runners and Alberto's?
Or are they generally separate camps? (I realize Alberto has a tiny group now, yes?)
The track athletes certainly train together. Jenkins and Engels are with Centro and Clayton in Park City. I don't think Osako trains with Rupp though...
Alberto: Rupp, Centro, Murphy, Kejelcha, Hasay, Hassan
Julian: Rowbury, Osako, Jenkins, Engels
naw, Engels run with Centro and Murphy under Alberto.....so he is not with Julian. That wouldn't even make sense. julian's groups is a weak group.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMXhyOPUMAAePg5.jpgVicter wrote:
chicago.intrigue wrote:
So is there much/any interaction between Julian' s runners and Alberto's?
Or are they generally separate camps? (I realize Alberto has a tiny group now, yes?)
The track athletes certainly train together. Jenkins and Engels are with Centro and Clayton in Park City. I don't think Osako trains with Rupp though...
Alberto: Rupp, Centro, Murphy, Kejelcha, Hasay, Hassan
Julian: Rowbury, Osako, Jenkins, Engels
This isn't even close to accurate...Centro lives in DC and is full time coached by his father. Alberto hasn't been meaningfully involved in his training for a while. Murphy is coached by Julian. Hassan it's unclear. Hasay mostly lives in California these days and is coached remotely by Alberto, but I'd have to imagine she's taking a lot into her own hands as well. In reality, Rupp, Kejelcha, and Hasay are the only true Oregon Project athletes in it's original sense.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
No wrote:
Pete Julian coaches Osako, would be surprised if Alberto has written a workout for him in years. Yomif is Rupp's training partner.
Galen did a workout with centro earlier this month.
Centrowitz was just visiting. He's living on the east coast now.
lol ORPJT wrote:
Victer wrote:
The track athletes certainly train together. Jenkins and Engels are with Centro and Clayton in Park City. I don't think Osako trains with Rupp though...
Alberto: Rupp, Centro, Murphy, Kejelcha, Hasay, Hassan
Julian: Rowbury, Osako, Jenkins, Engels
This isn't even close to accurate...Centro lives in DC and is full time coached by his father. Alberto hasn't been meaningfully involved in his training for a while. Murphy is coached by Julian. Hassan it's unclear. Hasay mostly lives in California these days and is coached remotely by Alberto, but I'd have to imagine she's taking a lot into her own hands as well. In reality, Rupp, Kejelcha, and Hasay are the only true Oregon Project athletes in it's original sense.
You are wrong.
Centro specifically said that he and his father talk to each other weekly to discuss workouts and the plan ahead. And he trains with Engels, Jenkins and even Murphy and Rupp when their schedules match up, especially at altitude camp with the aforementioned minus Rupp.
Murphy has mentioned that he is coached by Alberto specifically. I’m sure Julian helps when Murphy is with the other milers of the group. Julian more closely coaches Jenkins, Engels and Osako. Jenkins had mentioned in the past that Julian is their day to day coach but is in communication with Salazar and Salazar is in more control over the big picture, at least at the time of that interview he was.
Lot of incorrect posters here. Not that hard to pick this stuff up. I’ve sparsely watched interviews and figured this stuff out on that alone.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
lol ORPJT wrote:
This isn't even close to accurate...Centro lives in DC and is full time coached by his father. Alberto hasn't been meaningfully involved in his training for a while. Murphy is coached by Julian. Hassan it's unclear. Hasay mostly lives in California these days and is coached remotely by Alberto, but I'd have to imagine she's taking a lot into her own hands as well. In reality, Rupp, Kejelcha, and Hasay are the only true Oregon Project athletes in it's original sense.
You are wrong.
Centro specifically said that he and his father talk to each other weekly to discuss workouts and the plan ahead. And he trains with Engels, Jenkins and even Murphy and Rupp when their schedules match up, especially at altitude camp with the aforementioned minus Rupp.
Murphy has mentioned that he is coached by Alberto specifically. I’m sure Julian helps when Murphy is with the other milers of the group. Julian more closely coaches Jenkins, Engels and Osako. Jenkins had mentioned in the past that Julian is their day to day coach but is in communication with Salazar and Salazar is in more control over the big picture, at least at the time of that interview he was.
Lot of incorrect posters here. Not that hard to pick this stuff up. I’ve sparsely watched interviews and figured this stuff out on that alone.
He and his father talk to Alberto weekly**
lol ORPJT wrote:
Victer wrote:
The track athletes certainly train together. Jenkins and Engels are with Centro and Clayton in Park City. I don't think Osako trains with Rupp though...
Alberto: Rupp, Centro, Murphy, Kejelcha, Hasay, Hassan
Julian: Rowbury, Osako, Jenkins, Engels
This isn't even close to accurate...Centro lives in DC and is full time coached by his father. Alberto hasn't been meaningfully involved in his training for a while. Murphy is coached by Julian. Hassan it's unclear. Hasay mostly lives in California these days and is coached remotely by Alberto, but I'd have to imagine she's taking a lot into her own hands as well. In reality, Rupp, Kejelcha, and Hasay are the only true Oregon Project athletes in it's original sense.
That's interesting. Does all this indicate that NOP is kind of winding down?
Or is it more of Alberto getting older (and under so much scrutiny) and choosing to simply shrink his portfolio of athletes?
If NOP is indeed winding down, what does everyone make of its legacy? And are today's professionals as well-positioned (or better/worse) than, say, 10 years ago?
chicago.intrigue wrote:
Now that they're both signed up for Chicago, I'm wondering if these two do most/some/little or no training together in Portland?
There are lots of intriguing storylines developing for this race and I wonder how they -- and Mo -- are approaching this marathon.
Definitely NOT training partners. No one likes to train with Suguru, as he doesn't follow the set paces or pay attention.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
lol ORPJT wrote:
This isn't even close to accurate...Centro lives in DC and is full time coached by his father. Alberto hasn't been meaningfully involved in his training for a while. Murphy is coached by Julian. Hassan it's unclear. Hasay mostly lives in California these days and is coached remotely by Alberto, but I'd have to imagine she's taking a lot into her own hands as well. In reality, Rupp, Kejelcha, and Hasay are the only true Oregon Project athletes in it's original sense.
You are wrong.
Centro specifically said that he and his father talk to each other weekly to discuss workouts and the plan ahead. And he trains with Engels, Jenkins and even Murphy and Rupp when their schedules match up, especially at altitude camp with the aforementioned minus Rupp.
Murphy has mentioned that he is coached by Alberto specifically. I’m sure Julian helps when Murphy is with the other milers of the group. Julian more closely coaches Jenkins, Engels and Osako. Jenkins had mentioned in the past that Julian is their day to day coach but is in communication with Salazar and Salazar is in more control over the big picture, at least at the time of that interview he was.
Lot of incorrect posters here. Not that hard to pick this stuff up. I’ve sparsely watched interviews and figured this stuff out on that alone.
You're getting your information through interviews where the athletes can shape whatever narrative is easiest for them in the media. I'm letting you know the reality through knowledge of these things that you can't get in interviews. You can choose to believe me or not, but what I outlined is what's happening currently.
After Rupp's done, AlSal is done too. Unclear if Rupp will be willing to take it over or if they'll have to let someone else head up the oregon project.
What are you on about? I live in Portland and have seen several workouts. Sifan and Clayton are 100% coaches by alberto. Look at any of his interviews or twitter page and you will see several references to that. Not sure what your reasoning for posting such an easily verified piece of information...you must not like Al?
I like a lot of your posts, but this simply can't be true;
NOP completely changed after 2017.
As mentioned by another poster, the athletes shape the narrative of the group. And from interviews, social media, and my location, here's what I've determined:
Centro ONLY trains with the other members of the group at altitude camp and during competition season. Otherwise, he's based in Arlington, Virginia, and trains with the District Track club, which is run by his father. His dad and AlSal are from the same period in Oregon's history. I'm sure they talk to Alberto, but it definitely doesn't add up that Centro moved all the way across the country to call (Ditto with Jenkins, who lives in Portsmouth, NH) AlSal/Julian every week about workouts he and Centro Sr. have been doing and administering since they were 18. So many athletes make life changing sacrifices for training situations, for example; Christian Taylor is now effectively an ex-pat because of his coach, and that's ditto for a lot of foreign athletes who live and train in the US. Why would Centro want to leave Portland right after Mo left the group, and why did Jenkins follow? If Galen is such a great training partner, and Alberto a coach, why would so many people leave the immediate environment?
There is something up with Galen that affects the coaching situation and it's obvious that the group being founded around him has never gone his way. His comments about Mo's departure from the group during his Chicago interview were characteristic, being vague, polite, and measured, and Matthew's c. Galen has had at least two training partners with more marketability and more success, and both have left the environment created by Alberto, which gave them fame, medals, and money, and supposedly a great group to train with, which begs my former question be asked.
I'm not trying to bash Galen, Mo, or Matthew, they're both great athletes who are innocent until proven guilty in light of everything that happened and has yet to happen with NOP. But the coaching situation at NOP is not entirely what the athletes are reporting, and you can be sure the influx of athletes to the group over the past year (which again, is usual given their past) has played a part. Just my two cents.
