Which Runner From The EPO Era Do You Think Was Clean?

FL Livin wrote:

I will go with Bob Kennedy.

12:55 and trained with Komen.

(Insert loud and obnoxious buzzer sound here.)

FL Livin wrote:

I will go with Bob Kennedy.

That made me chuckle.

Anthony Whiteman.

Ran 1:45 and 3:32 in the EPO era.

His age equivalent times from last year - as a 45 year old - were 1:38 and 3:24.

He was probably the most talented middle-distance runner of the EPO era and clean to boot.

Unfortunately for him, not only was he competing against the EPiOpians, he started athletics very late too.

He was probably on the same level talent wise as Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

Age equivalents are generally too generous, bordering to ridiculous. AW's times underscores my point.

I think he was clean. Being a middle distance runner, I suppose Kenyans were his main opponents, no?

yyy wrote:

Age equivalents are generally too generous, bordering to ridiculous. AW's times underscores my point.

I think he was clean. Being a middle distance runner, I suppose Kenyans were his main opponents, no?

They clearly are, but it's still impressive the times he is recording at age 45 (1:49 and 3:45), and it does indicate that not only was he clean, he didn't achieve close to his potential (because he went into athletics late).

It doesn’t indicate either of those things. Huge logical leap. His times are impressive on their own, no need for your false inflation.

yyy wrote:

Being a middle distance runner, I suppose Kenyans were his main opponents, no?

He narrowly missed out on making the Olympic 1500 final in 96. In that final, out of 12 runners only 3 were non-African - Cacho (widely assumed to be on the sauce), Marko Koers of Holland, and Britain's John Mayock.

Fallacious Man wrote:

It doesn’t indicate either of those things. Huge logical leap. His times are impressive on their own, no need for your false inflation.

What?? His times are impressive on their own and I don't need to add that he competed clean in the EPO era or that he didn't get close to his potential? Shut up.

Smashing world Masters records plus the fact that he started very late in athletics (I think he only was a serious athlete in his early twenties) does suggest he would have ran faster in his athletic prime (if he'd started earlier).

If you can run 1:49 at 45 then it indicates you did have the potential to run faster than 1:45.81 at 26. It also indicates (giving he's running these times in British athletics senior meets (not masters)) that he was clean during the wild west EPO era.

Bob Kampemin

I always feel guilty about lumping Kevin Sullivan in with the rest. I don't know why. I think its the look of pure disgust on his face at the end of the Sydney 1500 final.

Sonia O'Sullivan.

RYAN HALL

I've got two dudes that I would lay money on that are clean & green:

1) Alan Webb (he's the fastest a clean runner can go).

2) Jason Pyrah (one of my favorites of the old days, he's also a graduate of BYU).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Pyrah

SFH clean and d&d free.

I'll go with Larry Bird.

Coevett wrote:

Anthony Whiteman.

Ran 1:45 and 3:32 in the EPO era.

His age equivalent times from last year - as a 45 year old - were 1:38 and 3:24.

He was probably the most talented middle-distance runner of the EPO era and clean to boot.

Unfortunately for him, not only was he competing against the EPiOpians, he started athletics very late too.

He was probably on the same level talent wise as Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

So how fast would he have run dirty? Under the world record? No one on a world class level was clean at that time. How often is he tested now?

Vere wrote:

Bob Kampemin

^Yes. Boston time was wind aided. But definitely one of the top clean US athletes of all time.

Naw Bro wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Anthony Whiteman.

Ran 1:45 and 3:32 in the EPO era.

His age equivalent times from last year - as a 45 year old - were 1:38 and 3:24.

He was probably the most talented middle-distance runner of the EPO era and clean to boot.

Unfortunately for him, not only was he competing against the EPiOpians, he started athletics very late too.

He was probably on the same level talent wise as Coe, Ovett, and Cram.

So how fast would he have run dirty? Under the world record? No one on a world class level was clean at that time. How often is he tested now?

Yes, I can see that at 1500 given his pb was 3:32. Plus the extra motivation that getting close to the world record and olympic gold would give you. Or are you one of these apologists who think EPO only adds half a second or something and it's only because 'talent has moved to the roads' that Africans aren't running 3:26 anymore (and the only one who has has just been popped for EPO)?

almost none of them.and almost none of them,today.