100m WR without response time? Jumping gun DQs and response time biases are stupid.

The 100 meter race is probably the most exciting event in track and field.

But who's really the fastest? wrote:

I don't care who can better anticipate or respond to a gunshot, and I think it's a shame whenever an athlete DQs for jumping the gun.

For the 200m and under, I wish they'd just do time trials for the final, where the time starts automatically with the athlete. Anticlimactic? Yes. But I'd appreciate the result more.

That, or keep championships the same, but accept timed runs that start with the athlete for record times.

Good question. Tyson Gay's 9.69 in Shanghai included a dismal reaction time so maybe that was the fastest?

Yohan Blake also ran 19.29 with a .29 reaction time or something awful like that, which would actually be faster than Bolt's 19.19 when you subtract reaction times.

kyoto wrote:

Yohan Blake also ran 19.29 with a .29 reaction time or something awful like that, which would actually be faster than Bolt's 19.19 when you subtract reaction times.

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

slow bolt of lightning wrote:

kyoto wrote:

Yohan Blake also ran 19.29 with a .29 reaction time or something awful like that, which would actually be faster than Bolt's 19.19 when you subtract reaction times.

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

kyoto wrote:

slow bolt of lightning wrote:

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

I didn't realze that - so looked into it, there's a good discussion comparing bolt's 19.19 with blake's 19.26 here

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"Well, with Bolt’s reaction time, Blake would have run 19.13 and with zero wind it would have been about 19.17. Bolt’s adjusted zero wind time is exactly the same! But Bolt’s handicap was that he had to battle a much tighter bend"

apparently the brussels track blake ran on is wider than usual "Its straights/curves are 75m/125m long, not the standard 84m/116m. It’s also known to be one of the widest tracks on the circuit". Had never heard that before

kyoto wrote:

slow bolt of lightning wrote:

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

So, Blake's 19.19 (fixed) is faster than Bolt's 19.19 (not fixed). Got it.

wide track wrote:

kyoto wrote:

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

I didn't realze that - so looked into it, there's a good discussion comparing bolt's 19.19 with blake's 19.26 here

https://zigapskraba.com/2016/08/04/11-200m-and-the-19-second-barrier/

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"Well, with Bolt’s reaction time, Blake would have run 19.13 and with zero wind it would have been about 19.17. Bolt’s adjusted zero wind time is exactly the same! But Bolt’s handicap was that he had to battle a much tighter bend"

apparently the brussels track blake ran on is wider than usual "Its straights/curves are 75m/125m long, not the standard 84m/116m. It’s also known to be one of the widest tracks on the circuit". Had never heard that before

Blake's funny rack time should not be used for comparison purposes.

My high school's record for 200m (220y run ages ago) is 21.0 in 1956. The WR for 220y in 1956 was 20.6. But the 1956 run was run on a track with a straight 220y. For some odd reason that 21.0 is noted as the record without an explanation that that time is not fair to compare recent times to.

I do agree they shouldn't be DQ'd unless they actually jump the gun. If you can guess the start and have a reaction under .100 or whatever it is, it should count

slow bolt of lightning wrote:

kyoto wrote:

Yohan Blake also ran 19.29 with a .29 reaction time or something awful like that, which would actually be faster than Bolt's 19.19 when you subtract reaction times.

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

welcome to planet earth. Did you just arrive?

Bolt was a great starter and accelerator for a guy 6'5"

Reaction times are over rated. The only purpose of recording a RT is to DQ someone for starting early. The blocks are all about setting up your acceleration. Bolt did that well when he was healthy.

wide track wrote:

kyoto wrote:

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

I didn't realze that - so looked into it, there's a good discussion comparing bolt's 19.19 with blake's 19.26 here

https://zigapskraba.com/2016/08/04/11-200m-and-the-19-second-barrier/

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"Well, with Bolt’s reaction time, Blake would have run 19.13 and with zero wind it would have been about 19.17. Bolt’s adjusted zero wind time is exactly the same! But Bolt’s handicap was that he had to battle a much tighter bend"

apparently the brussels track blake ran on is wider than usual "Its straights/curves are 75m/125m long, not the standard 84m/116m. It’s also known to be one of the widest tracks on the circuit". Had never heard that before

Bolt also ran 19.19, 19.30, 19.32, 19.40. Head and shoulders, literally, above Blake. The 200m was a joke for Bolt. I strongly believe he'd have been world champion in 2017 if he did that instead of the 100m.

Bolt could have run under 19s. If you gave him a +2.0m/s following wind in his WR instead of a -0.3 then he's running 19.05 right there.

Perfect wind, perfect day and 18.99 is not unthinkable.

Bolt ran his first 100m in 9.92 around the bend (insane). Then the next 100m he ran 9.27 into that headwind. I don't see why he couldn't run under 9.1 with a healthy following wind instead. He ran 8.70 in the relay.

kyoto wrote:

slow bolt of lightning wrote:

Bolt was a notorious slow starter.

Yes, but his reaction time was .1 faster than Blake. So Blake covered the 200m faster than Bolt.

More BS. You conflate a reaction tie with someone leaving the blocks. You guys are too full of shite. Reaction times at the front end of the race are like the thickness of hair on a bald man. Everyone seems to think that they get longer by the end of the race. In fact, Blake may have been on his first step before Bolt, who has longer levers.

If you were ever a sprinter, and I doubt it, you'd know that great times can come from poor reaction times, just like poor times can come from great reaction times.

And please don't try to equate a fast reaction time with a great start. They are only tangentially related to each other.

In Blake's 19.26 it is obvious that he got a very poor reaction from the gun as it is visually obvious from the naked eye. Generally the posted reaction times which naturally vary are hardly distinguishable even in slow mo.

Here is the clearest video that I could find, albeit amateur, but shows his delayed reaction...

https://youtu.be/fe3B8Zl8cDE?t=18