Likely using a freelap timing system that uses a trigger hand by the athlete the timing system starts when their hand leaves the button in you factor in the reaction time for most sprints .140 it makes sense he could run that time but in actual race environment he would run the time that he just ran. Slightly under 10.00
Regards,
Ryan Banta
Likely using a freelap timing system. The system uses a hand trigger engaged by the athlete when their hand leaves the button. If you also factor in the reaction time for most sprints at .140 it makes sense he could run that time, However, in an actual race environment, he would run nearly the time that he just ran. Slightly under 10.00
Regards,
Ryan Banta
and Kiprop said he didn't dope...
It could have been windy, might have been a running start. Who knows?!
In high school my teammate and I used that bungee-like sprint training system where one person runs and builds tension then the other runs and gets pulled by that tension. I ran like a 10.3 100m and could only run 11.8 without.
Coaches tell their athletes all kinds of thing to build confidence too.
Don't read into what he's saying at all
Sledge_hammer wrote:
Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.
Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.
For some more data, I was on a college team of 14-low, 1:50-low, 4:0x guys and I'm don't think any of us could run sub-12 in even in spikes with a full flying start. Like Sprintgeezer said they're opposite skills. Even if you start with speed, the mileage needed to be a good distance runner destroys it.
kinda fast guy wrote:
Sledge_hammer wrote:
Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.
Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.
For some more data, I was on a college team of 14-low, 1:50-low, 4:0x guys and I'm don't think any of us could run sub-12 in even in spikes with a full flying start. Like Sprintgeezer said they're opposite skills. Even if you start with speed, the mileage needed to be a good distance runner destroys it.
What are you like 5k guys moving down to the 800? I had teammates and myself who were between 1:52-1:54 and 3:48-3:58 and a few of us could routinely click off 11.7-12.0 100m strides (with a running start) after a tempo or easy run. I’m not saying it’s impressive, because it’s not. But it’s well within the realm of low 1:50 guys.
Harambe wrote:
10.9 flying start is definitely believable for someone with 3:50 mile speed. It's just not that impressive a time
A flying start is worth, what, like .9+ seconds?
11.high is just not that quick
This ^
That 10.9 was from a rolling start, more like 11.9 FAT from block.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Sledge_hammer wrote:
Well, I did run a 11.8 for 100m wearing flats, granted it's not "11-flat"and hand-timed , but it's not far off, and I barely can break 17 for 5k. I suppose it's indisputable that world-class runners like Mo and Bekele, both of whom are also known for their finishing kick, wouldn't have a worse 100m's time than mine.
Distance runners can sprint, sorry to enlighten you.
No they cannot, sorry to enlighten you.
Jeilan came the closest to sprinting as does a long sprinter. None can sprint as does a short sprinter. This is an old topic that recurs with every new season, or with every new crop of distance enthusiasts.
Even great short sprinters struggle to maintain it over 200m; by 400m the form is already different.
Can any elite 10k guy do a flying 11-flat 100m in flats? IDK, but I think that Jeilan may have come close at his peak. Rupp, not really. Not even hand-timed, unless hand-timed by a moran.
Understand that the requirements of true short sprinting are essentially antithetical to distance excellence. The better someone is at distance, the less they will be able to approximate short sprint form. Long sprint form is closer to a fast run, which is what distance people do.
So you think Rupp would run a worse 100m than an average college runner? Interesting. lol
Sledge_hammer wrote:
Harambe wrote:
10.9 flying start is definitely believable for someone with 3:50 mile speed. It's just not that impressive a time
A flying start is worth, what, like .9+ seconds?
11.high is just not that quick
This ^
That 10.9 was from a rolling start, more like 11.9 FAT from block.
No, that's just from the rolling start, you need to add reaction time 0.160 (average) and manual to FAT, 0.24.(if the hand timer is actually decent). Plus dont forget the wind, +2.0W is roughly 0.12, advantage at 0m altitude. Rupp will end up running the same as Farah which is 12.9.
But hey go to your local club/college and ask to race the 10.9-11.2 sprinters there then report back how it went. LMAO.
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
kinda fast guy wrote:
For some more data, I was on a college team of 14-low, 1:50-low, 4:0x guys and I'm don't think any of us could run sub-12 in even in spikes with a full flying start. Like Sprintgeezer said they're opposite skills. Even if you start with speed, the mileage needed to be a good distance runner destroys it.
What are you like 5k guys moving down to the 800? I had teammates and myself who were between 1:52-1:54 and 3:48-3:58 and a few of us could routinely click off 11.7-12.0 100m strides (with a running start) after a tempo or easy run. I’m not saying it’s impressive, because it’s not. But it’s well within the realm of low 1:50 guys.
These last two posters both make reasonable posts.
"In the late 1970s, Glenn Cunningham was still telling crowds at road races that he had broken 4:00 in training back in the 1930s. Some people think his coach may have lied to him about the hand time, as it seemed that Cunningham truly believed he had run sub-4."
To me it's like people telling others about the feats of Wilt Chamberlain and Bruce Lee.
Without hard evidence, it's just talk.
Not that Wilt wasn't an elite athlete, but some things...
That does not follow from what I said.
Neither Rupp nor the average trained college distance runner are able to execute a short sprint—both execute a fast run. Rupp might be just as fast or even faster, going in at the same level of fatigue.
Assuming for the sake of argument that they have roughly the same endurance, Rupp may indeed be better over especially 400m, as his race history has proven. With distance runners, there is no change in form over 400m and 100m, it is still that fast run, and so it would not be unreasonable to expect that Rupp would be faster also over 100m.
I was responding to sledge hammer, btw
Mo Farah runs 12.98 here
hasn't Usain Bolt still got the record?
JPS wrote:
malmo wrote:
Without a wind gauge + wired gun + wired blocks + photo timer ever thing is all talk.
Its no more or less talk than any other training people talk about (We don't ask people running 100 mile weeks or crazy workouts to prove it with GPS data, we see if they back it up at meets). The guy isn't asking for his practice marks to be certified by the IAAF for world rankings or proxy diamond league wins.
I was at a clinic many moons ago where Jon Drummond was the keynote talking about training Tyson Gay. I think this would have been around the winter of 2009 or 2010 (it was after Bolt had set the world record, but before Gay tested positive). Anyway, he claimed Gay had run a time trial 100m (alone) a week or two before USATFs or WCs and 3 different hand timer's had all clocked Gay at between 9.30 and 9.40 or thereabouts. His point of course was that he believed even after an FAT conversion, if Gay had had his best race he could have taken down Bolt and set the WR. This was also in the midst of stressing how important it is for a sprinter to believe they are unbeatable/the fastest, so who knows maybe this was an extension of those mind games. He certainly presented it as unquestionable fact though.
More to the point, I'd say a very legitimate proportion of 60m sprinters have hit their PR in practice, since that's a distance they will run full-on from blocks for that distance with fair regularity in practice. Its more rare to do full-blast 100m from blocks in practice, but more common the higher an athletes' level, given that they compete much less frequently. Athletes knowing the real times they run in those types of sessions is a whole different ballgame, as mental confidence from those numbers is a way bigger part of a sprinter and their coaches system than distance runners.
As for accurate timing, there are tons of portable electronic timing systems and any major college or pro level coach will have these on hand if they want them. Different ones function differently; some will give the runner the start command (or can be controlled), while others start with the athlete and as such pretty much give the same results as a hand-time (since the hand timer has to react to the gun, and the portable auto-timer has had reaction time removed from the equation. These were also readily available back in 2009ish, further compounding Drummond's suspicion claims.
Hand-times mean almost nothing. Drummond should know better. Hand-times can be up to a half a second off. Even if done properly it's a .2-.3 difference usually. When you take that into account, Gay's times in practice were probably more like 9.7-9.8. He ran 9.71. No news here.
It's also really rare for coaches to run electronic timing equipment at practice. Hughes is bolstering his own abilities as many sprinters do. If you believe Hughes has actually run 9.79, I have some oceanfront property in Detroit for you. He's pretty much a 9.9x guy. Maybe 9.8x mid to high on the right day. 9.7 is just his own wishful thinking.
Sprinter Guy wrote:
It's also really rare for coaches to run electronic timing equipment at practice. Hughes is bolstering his own abilities as many sprinters do. If you believe Hughes has actually run 9.79, I have some oceanfront property in Detroit for you. He's pretty much a 9.9x guy. Maybe 9.8x mid to high on the right day. 9.7 is just his own wishful thinking.
But there’s no ocean in Detroit?? Lolmoran
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