Bad Wigins wrote:
You forgot 3:25 synthetic-converted legend Jim Ryun whose career peaked in the era before in-competition testing, when you could scarf all the bennies you wanted.
3'24. Try to keep up.
Bad Wigins wrote:
You forgot 3:25 synthetic-converted legend Jim Ryun whose career peaked in the era before in-competition testing, when you could scarf all the bennies you wanted.
3'24. Try to keep up.
rekrunner wrote:
Why would you say I "go home devestated"?
Because Kiprop's doping, now not challenged anymore, further damages your statements that a) EPO barely if at all helps at the top and that b) only very few runners - especially at the top - cheat.
And, you seem to have realized as much, when you wrote in the Farah thread:
rekrunner wrote:
I'm one of the ones who think Sir Slow Mo cannot possibly be suspicious for blood doping because his times are so slow.
So you admit that blood doping makes people run faster. Good for you!
I always say if some one is a head and shoulder above the rest of the competitors then, he/she must be a freak of nature or dopers. On Kiprop's case he happened to be a doper. I also think Bekele , EL, G, and Lagat are dopers. However, I do not think Paul Tergat, Haile and Kipchoge doped but that is just my opinion.
tergat....pretty sure he was one of rosa's runners.....
others rosa runners
kiprop
jeptoo
sumgong
how much is tea again?
Natural-runner wrote:
I also think Bekele , EL, G, and Lagat are dopers. However, I do not think Paul Tergat, Haile and Kipchoge doped but that is just my opinion.
If Haile didn't dope but Bekele did, what kind of times to do you think Haile would have run if he doped?
oh and remember el k ranting and raving that kip was clean and about to be cleared cause kipchoge had his back....well brojos, maybe you go ask them tough questions to kipchoge
"kipchoge, on our site a prolific poster who claims to know you and a number of other high profile runners claims you are 100% defending kiprop, is this true? what do you think about the doping issue in kenyan? is every runner now a suspect since so many top runners (jeptoo, sumgong, kiprop) have now fallen? do you feel like you are under scrutiny? do you think rosa should be permanently banned from the sport?"
my guess is you guys wont do that, but instead go after rupp and al sal in the weeks leading up to chicago
Boom boom boom boom. I want you in my room. Let's spend the night together. Tonight will last forever. Boom boom boom boom.
If they can catch Denis Kimetto next then Bekele will officially have the 2k, 2 mile, 5k, 10k and marathon world records.
hey doggy be careful with the subtle sexual advances.....trust me im super down for brown town....but i tried seducing recreationalbrummer and i was banned for a week.
and no they cant catch those guys....if they threw out all the Beijing and rio samples all ready what makes you think they are keeping kimettos? how much you want to be there is not one single sample of el G out there?
but lets say they do retro bust kimetto....you down to go on a tea date? trust me it will be worth it, $32 style! then we can go home and do the "laundry"
casual obsever wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
You forgot 3:25 synthetic-converted legend Jim Ryun whose career peaked in the era before in-competition testing, when you could scarf all the bennies you wanted.
3'24. Try to keep up.
^this
sorry noobs but you need to do your homework, if you are mocking the late and ultra annoying vent/calculo
it is always typed with this ' and not this :
its
44'00
1'39
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and they are always in bold.....also dont ever forget to get drunk and angry when you try to do a full on mock
here is an old example i used to use, and sorry brojos this is for historical purpose only for those who never got the privilege of interacting with vent/calculo...this gives them a small taste of what it was like
LISTEN TO ME!!!!!
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~ 5m wide! suicide first ~ 35m! moron barf gargle slurp
jizz swallow is this a joke basic barf fart gag moron
jizzel drivel slurp fart choke sh*t are you dense?
basic ~ 3'24! jim ryun secret man crush jizz barf intrinsic
is this a joke? my predictions are superior to all others slurp gag drivel
i am vent, i am calculo! Drivel snarf
barf snurf gag puke moron basic drivel intrinsic joke gargle gurgle idiot
quote myself within a quote within a quote am i serious
is this a joke?
barf fart gasp moron drivel 26 flat basic jizz jim ryun into my mouth rubbish
intrinsic moron myself quote wabbit idiot gargle
buffoon burp slurp swallow gasp choke gag drivel basic
snurf sniffle drivel dribble slurp burp gag barf moron
are you dense?
is this a joke?
do you not no basic maths?
~5m wide basic 3'24! are you dense
WR!!! under fantasy conditions can you not listen!
idiot moron predictions im wrong always quote myself within a quote drivel
your not as smart slurp as me burp i am vent gag
barf barf moron intrinsic basic joke
m!ndweak wrote:
tergat....pretty sure he was one of rosa's runners.....
others rosa runners
kiprop
jeptoo
sumgong
how much is tea again?
Those 3 runners right there represent 2 Olympic Golds, 3 WC Golds, and 2 Boston & 2 Chicago titles! Put them in the Doping Hall of Shame!
How can anyone in their right mind take Kenyan Athletics serious anymore with big names like that busted for doping? I know from this point forward if I witness a great Kenyan performance either on the track or roads, I'm going to wonder if what I'm seeing is real or not. It was bad enough with Kisorio, Jeptoo & Sumgong but Kiprop puts the icing on the cake. Imagine the *3rd* fastest man ever in the 15, only one of three runners to run sub-3:27 and an icon in Kenyan Athletics popped for EPO! Unfreaking believable! Enough is enough!....Kenyan athletics is a joke! LOL!
And m!ndweak your posting style might be a little aggressive for some but you're very well-researched and tell it like it is. That may be a little hard for some to handle here.
Some good points m!ndweak.
I would agree anecdotally on the ~4% performance improvement with rEPO. Add other PEDs such as roids, T and/or HGH to the mix and it could be a lot higher. The evidence suggests that most dopers are combining another PED(s) with rEPO or blood doping...nothing new there.
On Boulimi: His WR was flushed of course, but no one in 16 yrs has come close to beating that time.
On Ramzi: The blueprint of a high-responder i.e. ~6% improvement in one year.
On Sumgong: Canova believing her victory was watered down? Yeah...right, lol, when is an Olympic Gold ever considered watered down? I'm sure the IOC was considering engraving "watered down" on the back of her medal. ?
lolz
from 2015, acting like he was soooo honorable
this from 2014
take some looks at these bits
"Rosa, 72, has been described in Running Times as “arguably the world's greatest marathon coach.” (Greg McMillan, “Time to Rethink your MarathonTraining Program?” October 31, 2006). He is the manager, coach and sports medicine specialist behind many of Kenya's incredible succession of great runners. He is head of a Nike-funded development and management organization that is playing a major role in shaping the sport. He is clearly the most important and influential figure among European managers and agents working in Kenya. "
lolz wait one HOT minute, i thought it was CANOVA that was the WORLDS GREATEST MARATHON COACH, i mean he even had a 8 paragraph rant taking all the credit for turning Mo into the worlds best
paul tergat and sammy wanjiru, both part of his stable
"The story of the Rosa operation in Kenya is continued in chapters focused on individuals who have joined or contributed to it, like coach Berardelli, Gianni Poli (1986 New York City Marathon winner), Swiss marathoner Victor Röthlin (European gold medalist and World Championship bronze medalist), and nine major Kenyan runners: Eric Kimayo, Moses Tanui, Paul Tergat, Martin Lel, Sammy Wanjiru, Sammy Korir, Nancy Langat, Margaret Okayo and Janet Jepkosgei Busienei."
beradelli was kicked out the next year, whats his story? anyone care to interview him and see what things he has to say about rosa?
tanui, tergat, Lel, wanjiru, korir, langat......nope im sure they were all squeaky clean good kenyan christians who wouldnt even take an asprin
"Sammy Korir gives a glimpse of the rigorous life in the remote high-altitude camps:
We called him “the doctor.” Then we found out he really is a medical doctor, named Dr. Rosa"
who better to administer the EPO doping regime than a REAL medical doctor? lolz nothing to see here
"The only other mention of the drugs problem I can find comes when Tergat is telling of the contention within the Kenyan team at the 2000 world cross country championship in Vilamoura, Portugal.
I don't want to speak of that matter any more, but it kept me up all night before the competition...I showed up at the starting line in the worst condition an athlete could be in...Mohammed Mourhit, a Belgian of Moroccan origins, and the Ethiopian Assega Mezgebu, passed the finish line a couple of meters ahead of me, not more than five. The few hours of sleep and the irritation started to set in rather quickly, the burden was too much for my legs, but now it's time to let go. And to let go Mourhit's disqualification for doping a few years later.
I may have missed things, not being fluent in Italian, but this seems to be the only specific reference to drugs, and relates to a Moroccan-Belgian. There is no mention of Mathew Kisorio, a Rosa team athlete until banned in July 2012 for using steroids. Perhaps the book was in press by then, though Priscah and Rita Jeptoo's 2013 victories are listed in the appendix.
so you have tergat complaining about mourhit and mezgebu....one doper complaining about another dopers? sounds so much like the TdF lolz
https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20836192/dr-rosa-in-his-own-words/
lolz
"“I guarantee that Claudio is not involved in doping – completely. I trust in him completely – but maybe he was too young to know what was going on in Kenya. I respect Claudio a lot. He is a good coach but maybe he is too friendly. You must not trust too much. You must be distant. In 50 years, I never had one doping case – never."
so he fires claudio, but says he trusts him? and come on rosa, how many from your "stable" has been busted? this guy is like the trevor graham of distance coaching....nope canova has his back so he MUST be telling the truth lolz
"Defending NYC champ Stanley Biwott used to be coached by Berardelli and is currently represented by the Rosas. He had nothing but good things to say about Berardelli and Federico Rosa.
“I know Federico is a good guy. Those are false allegations. My former coach – Claudio – was the best,” said Biwott."
i wonder if all these same people are defending kiprop? nope nothing to see here
“I was the teacher of Claudio Berardelli. I [taught] him [how] to be a coach [from] 2004-2012. Two years ago, I was not very happy with the results because Stanley is a big talent,” said Dr. Rosa, who also wasn’t happy with Sumgong’s results under Berardelli. “Nobody trusted Jemima. She always under Priscah Jeptoo who was the most important [in Claudio’s group].”
Dissatisfied with the results, Rosa got back into the coaching game and the results have been spectacular for Sumgong and Biwott. A 2015 NYC win and 2:03 London runner-up in 2016 for Biwott and London and Olympic titles for Sumgong this year.
so he claims "In 50 years, I never had one doping case – never." and is bold as HELL about sumgong....lolz
"As for Sumgong, Dr. Rosa said things are going great as he’s got a great working relationship with Sumgong’s husband, whom he switched from being a rabbit to being Dr. Rosa’s coach on the ground for Sumgong when he’s in Italy. Dr. Rosa said Sumgong’s husband is “very smart, very intelligent” and that “every day” they agree on what training works best for her."
so this is super classic. rosa the proclaimed GREATEST MARATHON COACH in the world, or is it Canova? is implying that sumgong was a SUPER talent, yet canova stated she wasnt top tier LOLZ! here in the quote rosa PRAISES her husband, calling him " “very smart, very intelligent” and that “every day” they agree on what training works best for her." yet later THROWS the guy under the bus when sumgong goes home devastated.
wonder why you didnt hear rosa coming to defend kiprop AT ALL.
the contradictions in the kenyan myth saga are out of control. you have TWO italian coaches, both super arrogant and both claim to the the GREATEST MARATHON COACHES in the WORLD. you have rosa boasting that in 50yrs he has never had a bust, yet right after he took over sumgong she goes dirty lolz. everytime one of his goes dirty he denies and blames someone else
first he blamed claudio, then blames sumgongs husband, now who will he blame for kiprop? oh he isnt even defeding him, nope he is being INCREDIBLY silent this whole time, and you dont really hear much from the co greatest marathon coach in the world ever since kiprop threw in the towel either
lolz lolz and more lolz
Manafort to jail, do not collect $2M.
Next up DiscoGary to the pokey for spreading years of lies and misinformation on this site.
Be afraid Gary, very afraid. Once they’re done with these clowns they’re coming after the trolls.
So if I get you right: - Kiprop's A+B confirmation, which will now go unchallenged, from a sample in Nov. 2017, somehow shows that EPO helped him run fast years earlier, and this somehow further damages any of my previous statements, to the point of personal devastation, sending me home? - Adding Kiprop to the pool of busted runners has tipped the weight of evidence of proofs by example, showing many top runners cheat, because it is now 2 out of the top 16 busted for EPO?
casual obsever wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Why would you say I "go home devestated"?
Because Kiprop's doping, now not challenged anymore, further damages your statements that a) EPO barely if at all helps at the top and that b) only very few runners - especially at the top - cheat.
And, you seem to have realized as much, when you wrote in the Farah thread:
rekrunner wrote:
I'm one of the ones who think Sir Slow Mo cannot possibly be suspicious for blood doping because his times are so slow.
So you admit that blood doping makes people run faster. Good for you!
2 out of the top 16? what does that even mean?
sumgong BUSTED, how is olympic GOLD NOT TOP?
ramzi BUSTED, how is olympic GOLD NOT TOP?
Brahim Boulami BUSTED, how is WR NOT TOP?
jeptoo BUSTED, how is WINNING FAST TIMES NOT TOP?
kiprop BUSTED, how is olympic GOLD NOT TOP, HOW IS 3rd FASTED ALL TIME NOT TOP?
Jolanda Čeplak BUSTED, how is olympic BRONZE NOT ON TOP? (remember rupp has one of those)
tim montgomery BUSTED, HOW IS WR NOT ON TOP?
Mohammed Mourhit BUSTED, HOW IS 3000 m – 7:26.62 (7th all-time), 5000 m – 12:49.71 (15th all-time), 10k 26:52.30 (32nd all-time) NOT ON TOP
marion jones BUSTED, HOW IS 5 OLYMPIC MEDALS IN THE SAME OLYMPICS NOT ON TOP
Ronald Rutto BUSTED, HOW IS WJR NOT ON TOP
Sergio Sánchez BUSTED, HOW IS EUROPEAN INDOOR 3000m NOT ON TOP (finished second to mr A sample lagat)
not to mention all the people who are on the doping banned list for undisclosed, refusal, biological passport, and whereabouts violations. when those are associated with DISTANCE runners you can only speculate it was EPO.
further when lance used it for 7 TdF, and marion jones tested positive but with the right lawyer it was dissmissed (lagat style), and then later her, tim montgommery, pettigrew, and jerome young ALL admitted to USING EPO in their cocktail.
but yeah only 2 top runners have used EPO.....lolz
my bad, i meant for kipsop winning WORLD CHAMPS NOT ON TOP
After reading the first page of comments, I'm dismayed by the state of people's opinions. Fast guy tests positive and presumption of innocense is abandoned. Sad. Don't immediately believe the narrative of the system.
rekrunner wrote:
So if I get you right:
- Kiprop's A+B confirmation, which will now go unchallenged, from a sample in Nov. 2017, somehow shows that EPO helped him run fast years earlier,.
That's right from the evidence we have we confidently say that Kiprop took EPO just once for the first time in his entire life just before some drug's testers turned up on his doorstep in Nov 2017 and asked him to produce a urine sample and some tea money. He had rotten luck really.
Banana Bread wrote:
Boom boom boom boom. I want you in my room. Let's spend the night together. Tonight will last forever. Boom boom boom boom.
If they can catch Denis Kimetto next then Bekele will officially have the 2k, 2 mile, 5k, 10k and marathon world records.
Kenenisa is my favorite athlete too, but I think you might be mistaken.
I thought El Guerrouj had the overall fastest 2k, with Bekele the fastest indoor 2k.
At one time Bekele had the fastest indoor 2-mile, but I think Farah eclipsed that. Regardless, both marks are slower than both of Daniel Komen's outdoor 2-mile marks.
Banana Bread wrote:
Boom boom boom boom. I want you in my room. Let's spend the night together. Tonight will last forever. Boom boom boom boom.
If they can catch Denis Kimetto next then Bekele will officially have the 2k, 2 mile, 5k, 10k and marathon world records.
I forgot to add: Respect for quoting Vengaboys!