rekrunner wrote:
Rather than ever actually saying "EPO doesn't work for elites", I've long adopted and built on the often repeated claim of many others, who disagreed with Renato:
- EPO works for top East Africans, at the top, like it works for everyone else, at the top
This is one of the reasons why my "performance thread" separates the performances of the non-Africans from East Africans.
enough with the bragging about "your" thread, man i have started LOTS of threads since 2004, i should pat myself on the BACK, especially the ones that got deleted cause they ruffed "the deniers" feathers
On Nov. 7, 2017, before the Kiprop bust -- even 3 weeks before the sample was collected -- I'm on record as stating:
"I think a diminishing returns model makes the most sense, so slower runners (like the ones in EPO studies) would be able to gain more, particularly if their instant level of fitness, and their training is not optimal. Renato suggested that EPO can quickly bring you to 90%, but not more. I haven't ruled that out, but my mind is open enough to accept the possibility that EPO could bring you up to 101%."
again the arrogance....i have stated LOTS of things that you and others MOCKED me for, do i get a cookie?
i stated van would win gold and get the WR, and i got mocked by more than just vent/calculo
i stated KIPROP would get slower or get popped after the rosa arrest, i was MOCKED and insulted...well guess what happend? BOTH, he got slower and got popped. i was MOCKED by both you and RENATO and i retaliated and then GOT DELETED AND BANNED FOR IT
This is not a new position now, resulting from a disoriented and flustered fallback and regrouping after the Kiprop bombshell.
yes we all know you sing a MUCH different tune after the KIPROP BOMBSHELL, cause EVERYONE else was too slow, sub elite for you
"mindweak" must have been aware of this, when I posted it 8 months ago. ok why dont you just be a little more ballsy when you mock me, this PC subtley mocking me is lame, do you really have to put my handle in parenthesize? oh yeah i forgot you are grammar nazi and you love to show everyone just how SMART and sophisticated you are
"mindweak" was also heavily participating on that thread, and my post was the very next post after mindweak posted this:
"blah blah blah blah, epo doesnt work, blah blah blah im reeekrunner, blah blah blah epo doesnt work,"
which itself was a direct response to a quoted post where I talked about paradoxes resulting from "Exaggerating the effects of EPO" and a "diminishing returns model suggesting a small effect (if any) from EPO".
you forgot to add that i did multiple COMMENTS of DATA, medical studies, peer review articles etc, lots of math showing how i came to conclusions on the RUNNERS who got busted for EPO, and you kept saying you were the authority, that i didnt know anything about track and field, that i was a moron, that didnt need to read my comments or clink the links cause they were a WASTE of your time. you forgot to add you did all that. this is also after mocking you that my actual DATA comments started to get deleted, then subways comments, then casuals, then the accusations that we were all the same perosn, then i GOT annoyed and angry and started mocking you as best as i could, and GOT BANNED.
I actually put my evidence "on paper" -- I started a "Closer look at performance" thread, where I articulated my opinion while presenting my data. And mindweak, among a dozen others, including you, have the audacity to mock me.
again name dropping ME, and you have the audacity to MOCK real DATA vs your self proclaimed "evidence on paper" which is nothing more than YOUR OPINION based on you CHERRY PICKING times and not REALITY, when have you been DELETED? you have the audacity to complain when your argument is DESTROYED and have me and others SILENCED. i know this BECAUSE WEJO TOLD ME SO. if you dont think he is telling the truth ok fine believe what you want to believe, im not living in a fantasy land, i dont use 15 different handles, and i have used DATA OVER AND OVER AND OVER to back up the 4%...ALL you ever have is YOUR OPINION and then MOCK the rest of use when we say "NO"
I was not and am not shellshocked by the example of Kiprop. A high profile example like Kiprop who both doped, and ran fast times, is not sufficient to show causality. Is Kiprop the exception or the rule? Recall, Ramzi and Kiprop are 2 confirmed examples out of the top 16. Again, if I wasn't swayed by the examples of the marathon women, at #2, #3, and #28, why would you think I would buckle under the example of Kiprop?
wait wtf? didnt you just say this "This is not a new position now, resulting from a disoriented and flustered fallback and regrouping after the Kiprop bombshell."
you see that rek? you LIE and then DENY you lie, i just caught you lying!
I did not actually suggest when Kiprop started doping, but showed the boundary of where our knowledge and evidence ends, and baseless assumptions begin. But before repeating the same mistake, is there some IAAF/CAS document or other evidence, which comments on Aug. 2015, that I'm unaware of?
My softspot is not for dopers, but for athletes and coaches accused of doping without basis, often simply for succeeding or being the wrong nationality.
Here's my take wrote:
BS...who are you trying to fool? For years now on these doping threads you have chanted on your soapbox that EPO doesn't work for elites, i.e. those "at the top." You and that Jon Orange character fed off of each other on so many of those older EPO threads going years back.
Now the Kiprop positive has left you shell shocked, disorientated & flustered because a Kenyan at the VERY fvcking top, as the *3rd* fvcking fastest man ever in the 15, has tested positive for EPO. Not roids. Not GH. Not amphetamines....but the sauce! (this must come as quite a shock to someone like you who believes the 2 guys ahead of him, EL G & Lagat, are clean. Lol).
So, now your position is thst it's only a "1%" improvement for Kiprop & the other Kenyan EPO dopers? If that's the case, show us your evidence - put it on paper - quit trolling! At least m!ndweak articulates his opinion presenting his data...and you have the audacity of mocking of him all the time? So, where's YOUR evidence that's it's only "1%" with the Kenyans and not 4% & 5% like the evidence suggests that others have posted here numerous times.
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instead suggeting that he only started using the sauce in the year or so preceding his positive test. LOL!
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You, OTOH, seem to have a soft spot for Kenyan EPO dopers running damage control for them all the time suggesting than in no way, shape or form could they haven't recieved a big performance boost from the sauce. Yeah...right. LOL.
Que Sera Sera.....