Ghost1 wrote:
Alleged, but unproven EPO user, A. Al Goumri, circa 2005-2008.
For example, Abderrahmin Al Goumri, the unfortunate Moroccan, who died in 2013. His 1500 was the weakest. He should have been sub. 27 mins based on 3/5k times. His marathon is in line with his track times. Based on his 3000, he should have been around 3.35/3.36 for 1500, similar to Tergat's best.
1500 Metres 3:39.80 Malmö (SWE) 03 AUG 1998
3000 Metres 7:32.36 Bruxelles (BEL) 24 AUG 2001
5000 Metres 12:50.25 Bruxelles (BEL) 26 AUG 2005
10,000 Metres 27:02.62 Hengelo (NED) 29 MAY 2005
10 Kilometres 28:34 Bolzano (ITA) 31 DEC 2006
Half Marathon 1:01:19 Safi (TAN) 29 APR 2001
Marathon 2:05:30 London (GBR) 13 APR 2008
i dont know why this is so hard for some of you....the guy used EPO, but you claim what because his 1500m isnt fitting your vent calculations?
its SIMPLE, let me explain AGAIN for you dull and blind deniers
EPO effects YOUR AEROBIC THRESHOLD. if you dont have any foot speed (which is fast twitch fibers), you can only maximize your 800/1500 so much, its NOT hard to grasp this or is it?
how fast do you have to run to run a 3:35 1500m? i would say 1:47?
so goumri 3:39.80 maxed out and lets assume this was sauce induced. which means he was a NATURAL according to what keeps being shown somewhere around 3:47 1500m. now lets put the rest of it in order
7:32.36 now is ~ 7:50
12:50.25 ~ 13:20
27:02.62 ~ 28:05
now these non EPO times look very similar to an old teammate of mine from college, who still runs btw
Mario Macias
800-- 1:52
1500-- 3:42
5000-- 13:38
10000-- 28:02
so please explain to me ghost where your lack of logic on not understanding this is failing you?
the FASTER you are NATURALLY the faster your 1500m will be, the faster your 1500m is the FASTER all the other distances will be. with EPO being the best PED ever for aerobic THRESHOLD enhancement it makes SENSE that the further the more it can do for a person.
if mario would have hoped on the sauce you can see he would have ran VERY SIMILAR times to goumri. i know i get it, you and el k, and rek and ex continuously insult me and harass me and get verbally aggressive at me subway, casual and coevett
why no one can grasp the effects of EPO even after all the people busted SHOW very similar ~4% improvements over their OLD PRs or cant figure out why for instance someone like goumri has such a slow 1500m but EPO helped everything else...its really mind blowing. here are a few things you should try.
1) JUST try, like REALLY give it ONE effort to consider EPO gives a ~4% gain to an athletes aerobic threshold. then just for sh*ts and giggles, do the math on runners and see their improvements and see how close it is to ~4%. then go and look at EPO busted runners and see how much of a % they improved.
2) stop thinking that EPO can take anyone and make them a WR holders mentality, and if they dont EPO doesnt work. instead of being like rek and ex and calling me insults, maybe just maybe try to look into things with an open mind. if SPRINTERS to marathon runners (and i even found an article once about people using EPO for everest so they didnt have to use supplemental oxygen), IT MUST BE WORKING.
3) start to actually BELIEVE i might be on to something not because MY OPINION, but because of all the documented BUSTS of EPO educed runners. dont go with personal insults and attacks just cause you dont AGREE with things you dont like.
and for the last time for all of you talking sh*t that i dont know anything about this sport and that i am some slug hobby jogger (rek, ex, anyone else)
here are my lifetime PRs, so you all can stop the annoying personal attacks and insults. im not afraid or hiding who i am cause im a coward, nope thats everyone else on here
100m : 10.77 (high school)
200m: 21.97 (high school)
400m: 47.68 (college)
800m: 1:54.03i (college)
mile : 4:18 (college, this was 3xmile repeats so i have no idea what my best could have been)
2mile : 9:12 (college, i came through 4:18 and died)
5k: 16:30 (college, en route on the 10mile TT)
8k: 27:33 (college, came through 4:55 with the leaders)
10miles : 58:12 (college)
i ran at adams state college. i was a sprinter that was tried to convert to 800m, i tried and it wasnt meant to be.
so you hobby jogging, ex d3 naia runners who claim im a 2:04 hs best scrub and i dont know sh*t about this sport or how training goes or what is fast and what is impressive...shut your mouth. i know who i am, i know what i ran, i know who i ran and practiced with. my dad trained me since i was in 4th grade, and he got track and field news since before that, i know who was fast i know when i first heard about EPO (summer after my soph year cross country camp, and the college runners there said all the kenyans were on it)
i remember reading a newspaper article on lance when he lost his testicle and he claimed then in that article that he was on EPO as part of his treatment. i put two and two together after that, and teammates and people on here bashed harassed insulted verbal threatened me....and guess what I WAS RIGHT and all the fanboys and deniers had to slowly accept he was a lying fraud. it was back then when i had first read that it could take ~60 seconds from a 10k, and then more reading kept saying 5-10% gains, but from non "elite" runners. time and time again people claim it doesnt work, that a person only took it once etc, always trying to discredit what has been known about it, and how does the saying go?
"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth"
"EPO doesnt work".....and when its proven over and over and over again, the deniers go to personal insults, verbal aggression, and hate filled rants. they refuse to read the research or have an open mind, and instead claim their OPINIONS are the golden standard, mock the poster as knowing NOTHING of the sport, lying about who they are what they say and where they are from. hobby joggers who picked up running in their mid 30s or ex d3 NAIA runners who sucked come out of the woodwork and claim they no MORE and they are AUTHORITY, yet NEVER EVER show any reason why or how they can put on this arrogant self proclaimed title. they wont admit who they are and how they claim to know so much, but discredit ANYONE who doesnt follow their lies about EPO.
i ran, did you? i ran with some INCREDIBLE runners daily! did you?
"oh i warmed up on the same track with druggy linford christie".....and then mock me like i dont know anything about BALCO....yeah thats just cute.