D1 Recruiting

Missouri Mid D wrote:

I am a high school junior looking to run in college. PRs: 4:16, 1:55.

I had some D1 interest after running the 4:16 in early may but after my post season didn't materialize as I had hoped I haven't had any additional contact with D1 schools. I have relatively good academics: 3.954/4, 1520 SAT. What are my chances of getting admissions help from schools like, ivy leagues, stanford, berkeley, etc.

4:16 isn't quite there for admissions help from most of programs on your list, I'd say. Walk-on potential at most though.

Having good academics helps even if you aren't a top option for a lot of these schools. Stay in touch and some might come around.

Not even fast enough to walk on at Stanford. Some of the Ivybcoaches may be interested enough to help with admissions. A few of the programs are not competitive.

Dude you have good times. Look into a state school on the rise. Honestly I don’t think it is worth it to rack up the ivy student loans. There are a ton of great ncaa D1 programs that would love to have a 4:16 junior. Any team that doesn’t is either Kenyan U or Oregon.

Seriously though, look into mountain west conference schools. Great distance.

know a guy who runs at an ivy and his mile is like 4:30

Which school? Help the poor guy out instead of dangling the info in front of him. Or did you make that up?

Just remember going to an in-state school for cheap tuition and possible scholarship are still there, and transferring to an Ivy graduate school is an option.

I personally would recommend looking into nearby up-and-coming schools with solid academics such as Tulsa, Mizzou, etc.

Mizzou is really struggling financially closing dorms with dwindling enrollment. Tulsa is not cheap. Maybe UMKC? Look nearby at Iowa with a rising program or Iowa State if you run really fast in the fall. Nebraska is not a bad choice either. Bradley gives some great financial help and they are very good in distance.

Mizzou on the outs wrote:

Mizzou is really struggling financially closing dorms with dwindling enrollment. Tulsa is not cheap. Maybe UMKC? Look nearby at Iowa with a rising program or Iowa State if you run really fast in the fall. Nebraska is not a bad choice either. Bradley gives some great financial help and they are very good in distance.

I wouldnt think Nebraska as a good option with their lack of ability to develop runners well, but Good points on the others

I would say pretty good. Obviously Stanford's distance program is a cut above the others, but at most other Ivy-equivalent schools you'd be a solid recruit, depending on your other times.

The admissions-athletics process and academic standards are different everywhere, even among the ivies. You will have to ask the coaches what your chances are at the particular schools you're interested in. I'd bet most would probably give you admissions help. Don't know as much about top public schools but would expect the coach could guarantee you an admissions spot just to walk on with those grades and times. I don't know what the deal is with MIT or other top non-D1 institutions.

You should email all the coaches at the schools you're interested in, don't wait and hope they contact you. Keep it short, mention your PRs, SAT and grades, and why you're interested in the program. Ask if you could have more info on the program or some other vague conversation starter.

Missouri Mid D wrote:

I am a high school junior looking to run in college. PRs: 4:16, 1:55.

I had some D1 interest after running the 4:16 in early may but after my post season didn't materialize as I had hoped I haven't had any additional contact with D1 schools. I have relatively good academics: 3.954/4, 1520 SAT. What are my chances of getting admissions help from schools like, ivy leagues, stanford, berkeley, etc.

Don't listen to those who say they wouldn't rack up the Ivy League debt. The Ivy League schools give some of the best financial aid based on need.

If your family makes less than about $125,000 a year (assuming no huge cash stores), you will get full tuition or close to it at all of them (Stanford too).

If your family makes about $70,000 or less, you will go for free...tuition and room and board (also true at Stanford).

4:16 isn't really that impressive to get big money at most competitive D1 schools. BUT, that time along with your GPA and SAT score might get you some help at an Ivy League school (I agree with another poster that Stanford wouldn't be interested).

Another school to consider who is looking for some better runners is Davidson. They also give great financial aid based on need and will give a decent athletic scholarship to someone like you. Super great school and it is D1.

Good luck.

I went to Davidson because I was a Virginia Tech reject!

winnr1 wrote:

Just remember going to an in-state school for cheap tuition and possible scholarship are still there, and transferring to an Ivy graduate school is an option.

I personally would recommend looking into nearby up-and-coming schools with solid academics such as Tulsa, Mizzou, etc.

"Transferring" to an Ivy graduate school isn't exactly how it works. You have to get "admitted" to an Ivy graduate school and that's tough to do unless you're really superior academically speaking as an undergraduate.

i love all these nerds who haven't broke 430 telling you the 416 is not impressive.

your academics combined with your times will certainly get some attention.

Mizzou men's distance program is in no way "on the rise."

OP, are you going into your senior year now?

Mizzou on the outs wrote:

Mizzou is really struggling financially closing dorms with dwindling enrollment. Tulsa is not cheap. Maybe UMKC? Look nearby at Iowa with a rising program or Iowa State if you run really fast in the fall. Nebraska is not a bad choice either. Bradley gives some great financial help and they are very good in distance.

Not totally accurate. Enrollment took a dip a few years ago but is increasing again and all the dorms will be open next year. The entire UM system is struggling financially but of Mizzou's cuts are coming from administrative cuts and merging some departments to cut down on duplicate programs and staff roles. Academics aside, the Mizzou women's program looks to be more solid than the men's right now,. Even if you remove Schweizer, the women seem to be showing more growth than the men. Mizzou is starting to hold onto the in state kids better, so it'll be interesting to watch how those kids develop.

Also, I wouldn't stress about the lack of contact though. XC/track recruiting tends to occur much later than other sports. A lot more opens up after July when more contact is allowed. Also remember that the college coaches are human and after you wrapped up your season, the college coaches were busy taking their athletes to regionals and nationals. The kids that I know at a similar level to you definitely noticed a lull in their recruitment after state XC and track (even when they had outstanding performances) when college teams were at their peak.

Muzzou’s enrollment last year was the lowest in 20 years. That is a dangerous place to enroll. Once a downward spiral begins, it can’t be stopped. Kids don’t want to go there due to all of the crazy protests from a few years ago.

Thanks, I was hoping that maybe I would get some more interest after some of those teams have filled their target recruit spots and maybe have a few more roster sports for athletes in good academic standing like myself. Not sure if that is how it works though. I have thought about state school and that is definitely a strong option but I'm also looking to explore other options

Missouri Mid D wrote:

Thanks, I was hoping that maybe I would get some more interest after some of those teams have filled their target recruit spots and maybe have a few more roster sports for athletes in good academic standing like myself. Not sure if that is how it works though. I have thought about state school and that is definitely a strong option but I'm also looking to explore other options

You are probably underestimating how early teams fill their target recruit spots. Most of those target recruits are visiting schools in the fall of their senior years and will not commit until fall signing day at the earliest.

Are you going into your junior year or going into senior year? Have you initiated conversations with any schools? Are you familiar with NCAA recruiting rules? That can help manage your expectations.

Here is a decent guide:

Thanks for the help. I had emailed back and forth a bit with a few ivy schools but after sending an email recapping my season I haven’t received a response. I also recieved a text from another D1 coach but haven’t heard much since the end of my season. Thanks for sending that link. I wasn’t very aware of those time frames