HRE wrote:
It's 51 there right now with a 7 mph wind. That's pretty close to ideal conditions. So far, so good.
Man what I would do for 51 F right now
HRE wrote:
It's 51 there right now with a 7 mph wind. That's pretty close to ideal conditions. So far, so good.
Man what I would do for 51 F right now
crap I know a woman a bit older than me shooting for a fast time at Grandmas. Forgot about it. Need to fire up the tracker.
I'd pay $1000 right now to guaranty that forecast for Chicago.
Smoove, how long does it take to move up a Vdot level?
BTW I could run a 3/4 mile loop right now in 34-38 degree weather where I am at.
angryjohnny wrote:
HRE wrote:
It's 51 there right now with a 7 mph wind. That's pretty close to ideal conditions. So far, so good.
Man what I would do for 51 F right now
Ah, but would you record it and put it on YouTube?
I don't have my book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure he would recommend 4 to 6 weeks in the absence of a race indicating a change of fitness.
In practice, I go by a sense of feel rather than to estimate based on weeks. I also advocate a race early when possible to get a sense of fitness. As you'd expect, the curve is steeper and fitness gains come faster earlier than they do in the middle stages of a cycle.
Smoove wrote:
Weather is looking dicey, but it seems like it turned out really nice for marathon day.
Good luck to HREJR.
2:41:18. Less than he'd hoped for but not bad, a couple minutes short of a PR. Don't know where that placed him.
HRE wrote:
Smoove wrote:
Weather is looking dicey, but it seems like it turned out really nice for marathon day.
Good luck to HREJR.
2:41:18. Less than he'd hoped for but not bad, a couple minutes short of a PR. Don't know where that placed him.
Congrats to HRE Jr. All the best to you and your son...
HRE wrote:
angryjohnny wrote:
Man what I would do for 51 F right now
Ah, but would you record it and put it on YouTube?
Not for 51F, for a guaranteed marathon race day temp of 35F I would indeed.
Nice run for HRE Jr. 2:41 is studly.
Great run for Kellyn Taylor too at 2:24. She ran just 1:12 in the half here on a warm and humid day back in February (same race as my disastrous/aborted M run pre Boston). That’s got to be a PR for her.
Good racing at Grandmas!
Lady I know ran 2:48. Nice time esp considering she is near 40.
Smoove wrote:
I don't have my book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure he would recommend 4 to 6 weeks in the absence of a race indicating a change of fitness.
In practice, I go by a sense of feel rather than to estimate based on weeks. I also advocate a race early when possible to get a sense of fitness. As you'd expect, the curve is steeper and fitness gains come faster earlier than they do in the middle stages of a cycle.
Thanks Smoove, Has the cadence doing? Has it become comfortable yet?
HRE, do you coach him?
It was going pretty well - up by about 6-8 spm and stride length down .1-.2m; but as the heat and humidity had settled in, so has fatigue. And with fatigue, I'm reverting to my natural disposition and my cadence is coming down. Still higher than it was, and higher at the start of runs than later in runs, but trending back down.
Smoove wrote:
I don't have my book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure he would recommend 4 to 6 weeks in the absence of a race indicating a change of fitness.
In practice, I go by a sense of feel rather than to estimate based on weeks. I also advocate a race early when possible to get a sense of fitness. As you'd expect, the curve is steeper and fitness gains come faster earlier than they do in the middle stages of a cycle.
I also remember it as don't change VDOT training paces more frequently than every 4 weeks. A novice be returning runner could improve fitness faster than that in theory, but I think that's the guidelines from the book.
51°? Sounds like I ran Grandma's a year too early. Congrats HREJr and others.
too hot wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9GUSaDQgeZgI am not a Canova expert but I have read him say that his training is not for the average Joe. Not sure what to make of that.
If you haven’t listened to him talk, the lecture he gave in Valencia last year is excellent. The man exudes confidence. But right around the 2:30 mark he says:
“...quality means high modulation in the type of training...that is exactly the opposite of what we ask AMATEURS because for them it is not possible to produce high quality...so for them we have another type of system but when we speak of the top athletes, the top quality is the key.”
What do we make of this for Canova followers if your name is not Geoffrey Kirui?
But what is "his training?" What about it do you feel like does not translate to the "average Joe?" Serious question and lookinf for honest dialogue.
I think his system is beyond what a lot of us even realize, but the principles of training at multiple paces using a funneled approach is sound and can be applied to the "average Joe."
HRE: Solid 2:41, and that weather sounds beautiful. How many marathons had he run prior?
Smoove, et al.: Might have some questions about correcting overstriding. Thinking that’s part of the cause for my recent hamstring tendon problems (along with the tilt of my pelvis).
HRE: Congratulations to your son on the strong showing in the marathon, and thank you for sharing the story of your own development. Very funny about the splits in Finnish! As it happens, one of my best 5ks (much, much slower than yours, I'm sure) came in a "Dandelion Dash" where I had to hurdle some lady's St. Bernard at a narrow spot in the course. It's funny the things that can take you out of yourself.
I’m all for honest dialogue. I think the key is what he means by modulation. As I understand it, modulation is very high quality intense bouts of training interspersed with regenerative work. Perhaps the key to his “system” or as he puts it...what has changed in the philosophy of marathon training over the last 15 years....is precisely the breadth and amount of quality that athletes now attempt in training specifically towards the marathon. Can the average Joe do the same thing? He
says quite clearly that they would need to use a different “system”...understandably because we don’t have the foundation to withstand that caliber of work. It’s not that we can’t handle the workload so much as we cannot absorb or reap its benefit.
Could the average Joe still be trained using Canova principles? Sure. But it would be “Canova-esque” training and I think that it is an important distinction to make because the real potency behind the Canova method, the ingenuity that lies behind it, is the modulation aspect. You cannot attempt this without building a huge aerobic house first.
“Aerobic House” has jumped the shark and is now banned.
“Rejuvenation” is also hereby banned.
I don't think the average Joe can do Canova's system completely. It is pretty simple he is taking elite guys and extending their range. The "Average Joe" is still working to make their running economy more efficient. I'm not sure it is possible to gain efficiency and extend efficiency in the same cycle.