runrincerepeat wrote:
Yeah I was messing around... whatever Pap wants RRR to run is what R3 will run. Capping off a baller week (at least for this point) tomorrow morning.
What’s pap got on tap tomorrow?
runrincerepeat wrote:
Yeah I was messing around... whatever Pap wants RRR to run is what R3 will run. Capping off a baller week (at least for this point) tomorrow morning.
What’s pap got on tap tomorrow?
Redux1 wrote:
You have no idea whether I’ve contributed to the Canova discussion or not, but I’m basically positive that you haven’t contributed anything of substance to any discussions! Back to ignoring you.
You’re a waste of time. I’ll continue with another example:
In the Fundamental period Canova says 1500m guys don’t need to run longer than 80 minutes. In the Fundamental period (for a 3:50 1500m runner) he has 5 x 1600 in 4:45 w/ 3 minute recovery done weekly. He has 15 x 400 in 62 w/ 2:30 recovery (developing into 3 x 1000 in 2:38 + 5 x 500 in 1:16 + 5 x 400 in 61) for the same 1500m runner every 10 days in the Fundamental period.
Why are there workouts that fast and that early in the training cycle? Why is the long run capped at 80 min? Not saying that Canova isn’t a brilliant coach, but one could justifiably question this approach.
90 min run. Gonna be pretty easy I figure as its my longest run since the trail relay. Should end up about 58-59 miles. Feeling good.. my E Run today before the hill sprints ended up sub 6:30 pace and 7:30 pace overall which is faster for me considering the build and humidity etc
Just looking at Mosop's and Kirui's training, I'd say this is very true. A lot of the same types of workouts but different implications.
I believe this is true too depending on your point of view. I've heard Lydiard described as a speed coach that used the aerobic to support it. I'd not argue either way.
Sounds right from my understanding.
Simplified but, Yes and no. No would take up a lot more than a LRC post.
I do belive Canova stated something to this affect. This is arguable depending on context. Modern physiology says almost all new capallarization takes place in the first 3 years for a well trained runner.
This is true and could be where the hang up is. Even if capallarization stops after 3 years. Mental strength, focus, muscles, economy, form etc.... can continue to be improved at these paces.
The last part could also be false depending on when it is applied. Canova seems to do a lot of high-end aerobic in a form similar to Lydiards time trials but applied somewhat differently. Depending on what you consider high-end changes a lot.
So far at the household. 3 rats down=1 dead, 2 transplanted. They are still winning. rats 2 my family 0 on the lettuce, spinach and kale harvests. The wife spotted another today mowing the greens down in bliss.
Don’t hate on my plant based diet brothers!!
Pappy - Thanks for the additional commentary regarding too hot’s remarks. Sorry to hear about the latest rat insurgence, but my money is on you to win the rat war. I am looking forward to wrapping up another good week of running tomorrow. Have a great evening.
I'm going to spare you the linked picture this time, but like our friend the baboon, rats are not vegetarians.
Touché. But I think he is referring to a ground hog. Which also 1% of their diet from insects actually and 99 herbivorous. Wikipedia FTW
99% vegetarian...just like you in 2019 thanks to AJ and Houston?
Vegetarian is a dirty word and I am not a vegetarian! That’s Lille being a hobby jogger.
And yes like that except it will be like .0001%
I am not a Canova expert but I have read him say that his training is not for the average Joe. Not sure what to make of that.
If you haven’t listened to him talk, the lecture he gave in Valencia last year is excellent. The man exudes confidence. But right around the 2:30 mark he says:
“...quality means high modulation in the type of training...that is exactly the opposite of what we ask AMATEURS because for them it is not possible to produce high quality...so for them we have another type of system but when we speak of the top athletes, the top quality is the key.”
What do we make of this for Canova followers if your name is not Geoffrey Kirui?
Had a groundhog encounter on my run this morning, as it happens. Cruising along a path that runs along the top of a dike down by the river here and came to a place where there's a little turn and a little dip down to a road crossing. Hit the turn and started going down the dip and all of a sudden there are little furry things going every which way back and forth across the trail. Took me a second to realize they were baby groundhogs, must have been a half dozen if not more. I jumped, they scurried, everybody went on their way.
pewow: Wow indeed. That is some racing. Does it still count as a double if you don’t actually stop between the two events?
Piuto Miudo: Good to hear the swim went well. Sounds like a cool experience (though as somebody who doesn’t swim so much as kind of drown horizontally, I’m happy to enjoy it vicariously…).
Stone Cutter and Jeremy: Great stuff. Look forward to seeing where you take the 5k training, Jeremy. Or where it takes you!
Coach Jeff: Loved the screw/nut thing. Right up there with your pancakes metaphor a little while back. Mmmm – pancakes…
Sorry I insulted your veganism with that shameful insinuation that you might eat some cheese, RRR.
Tried to run a 5k this morning to get a decent baseline/gauge. Emailed the race coordinator in May to see if/when there was a registration deadline. Was told I could sign up morning of the race if I wanted. Decided yesterday to run it. Showed up 1.5 before start time. Was told I was NOT allowed to sign up day of race by the exact same guy I had emailed 4 weeks ago. Wasted an hour and a half of my morning.
I think it's time for pancakes.
[quote]going faster miles an hour wrote:
HRE: As a semi-reformed pre-race basketcase, I can definitely identify with that part of your experience. Oddly enough, I think part of what "cured" me was being chronically DFL at the beginning of my college running career (such as it was). It kind of forced me to become more focused on my own performance and less focused on competing with others (because frankly, I was kind of alone out there a lot of the time).
Even after I did start to get a little faster, focusing on performance more than competition continued to be what worked the best for me. Part of this was standard "run your own race" stuff, but part of it involved consciously letting go of "competitive" thinking. Basically, I would try to run as if I were running alone, and to the degree that I engaged with other runners, I would try to think of them as comrades rather than competitors. And just to be clear, I did this not because I wasn't interested in racing, but because it was something that helped me to race better. That was the way I got myself into the "tunnel" that RRR was talking about.
Part of this certainly had to do with my own personality quirks, but during the time I spent coaching high school kids, I found that this general approach, counterintuitive as it might be, was something that could help other people race better, too. Not that I would suggest it for everybody, obviously, but for kids who were struggling to race up to their ability because of stress or nerves, it was something that seemed to help.
This thread grows quickly. Much has happened since I last checked. I also spent a lot of time finishing last. I was near the end of my junior year in high school before I beat anyone who actually finished a race. From there I usually did beat one or two guys even as I started college running. But it was never more than a handful until my junior year of college. That pretty much kept my expectations low and I kind of did like you did, just tried to be a bit faster than the last time I raced and not be last. That worked so well that I started finishing road races in the top 10-15% of the field. That's when I seemed to generate expectations and when nerves became a real problem. My best track times at 3 and 5 km came in Finland in low level international meets where once again I was just trying to stay out of last place and had no idea how fast I was running because the splits were called in Finnish.
Today's basket caseness, by the way, is related to Grandma's Marathon where I'm trying to follow my oldest son's times on the race tracker. He's been stuck at 10 km, according to the tracker, for nearly an hour.
runrincerepeat wrote:
That is true. Smoove is correct that I have to put up a performance this summer. Just have this deep feeling its happening..Laying off copious amounts of Beer and going 100% whole food plant based instead of 85% (no white flours or added oils etc.. no processed food) is helping.
I have always wondered about Hansons and the 16 mile long run.. seems a tad light. Weekly volume is indeed more important that one singular long run .. BUT dont know if I would have the confidence going into a 'thon (Esp if it was my first) with a 16 mile long run.
My best time came with no runs longer than 16 miles, well, maybe there was a 17 somewhere along the line but 15-16 was really it. But those runs were always at about the same pace I was going to run for the marathon and my mileage was lower than I'd done previously but still around 80-90. I'm a Lydiard guy and believe in long runs but also think they've been over emphasized in recent years. I think overall mileage matters much more. In the late 70s Chris Stewart was third at New York one year in 2:13 and he did no runs longer than 8 miles in preparation but was doing 120-130 miles a week.
And remember too that Lydiard eventually switched the long runs in his schedules from distance to time because he was finding that recreational runners using his schedules were sometimes needing 4 hours or more to do 20 mile runs and he thought that was too much time spent running. In his later schedules you see long runs of no more than 2-2 1/2 hours. A lot of people on those schedules won't be covering more than 16 miles in those runs.
Weather is looking dicey, but it seems like it turned out really nice for marathon day.
Good luck to HREJR.
Pewow - Nice 800.
The no-recovery double brings back fond(?) memories of HS meets. We had a very weak conference in distance events where we could pick up some points (it was strong in sprints). Sometimes I would do the 1600/800/3200/4x4, or variants thereof. There was a decent break after the 1600, but the only gap between the other three events was the 200 (after the 800). The 3200 would have to be run as a short tempo.
It's 51 there right now with a 7 mph wind. That's pretty close to ideal conditions. So far, so good.