I love that girl. 800m is going to be stacked for america. And she is strong , too. She just needs to clean
up here arm carriage. It's too wide, and she has too much torso action, but her lower mechanics are a beast.
A freshman just killed it at 800m ....pure domination until she goes pro. I doubt that she will do all 4 years..no way.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I love that girl. 800m is going to be stacked for america. And she is strong , too. She just needs to clean
up here arm carriage. It's too wide, and she has too much torso action, but her lower mechanics are a beast.
A freshman just killed it at 800m ....pure domination until she goes pro. I doubt that she will do all 4 years..no way.
I wouldn't call it pure domination. She won by .12 and the time was very slow. Having said that after she won I thought "will she ever lose an NCAA 800 after this?"
Place Athlete Affiliation Time
1 Sammy WATSON FR Texas A&M 2:04.21
2 Abike EGBENIYI JR Mid. Tenn. State 2:04.33
3 Ashley TAYLOR SR Northern Arizona 2:05.01
4 Siofra CLEIRIGH BUTTNER SR Villanova 2:05.73
5 Olivia BAKER SR Stanford 2:06.18
6 Martha BISSAH SO Norfolk State 2:06.79
7 Sabrina SOUTHERLAND SR Oregon 2:06.99
8 Jazmine FRAY JR Texas A&M 2:07.34
wejo wrote:
Scorpion_runner wrote:
I love that girl. 800m is going to be stacked for america. And she is strong , too. She just needs to clean
up here arm carriage. It's too wide, and she has too much torso action, but her lower mechanics are a beast.
A freshman just killed it at 800m ....pure domination until she goes pro. I doubt that she will do all 4 years..no way.
I wouldn't call it pure domination. She won by .12 and the time was very slow. Having said that after she won I thought "will she ever lose an NCAA 800 after this?"
Place Athlete Affiliation Time
1 Sammy WATSON FR Texas A&M 2:04.21
2 Abike EGBENIYI JR Mid. Tenn. State 2:04.33
3 Ashley TAYLOR SR Northern Arizona 2:05.01
4 Siofra CLEIRIGH BUTTNER SR Villanova 2:05.73
5 Olivia BAKER SR Stanford 2:06.18
6 Martha BISSAH SO Norfolk State 2:06.79
7 Sabrina SOUTHERLAND SR Oregon 2:06.99
8 Jazmine FRAY JR Texas A&M 2:07.34
Dude, you read that wrong! I said pure domination until she goes pro, meaning she is going to be top girl in the ncaa in the 800m.
I did say that she dominated today's race.
* I didn't say the she dominated the race.
It doesn't surprise me. She was huge high school talent. Anyone notice how little attention/spotlight milesplit put on her last year? They talked and talked about the girl from VA that was running 5 or 6 seconds slower but barely mentioned Sammy Watson? She was the most impressive runner across the board last year in my opinion with her 800/1000 times.
She a beast wrote:
It doesn't surprise me. She was huge high school talent. Anyone notice how little attention/spotlight milesplit put on her last year? They talked and talked about the girl from VA that was running 5 or 6 seconds slower but barely mentioned Sammy Watson? She was the most impressive runner across the board last year in my opinion with her 800/1000 times.
Time is time regardless of your opinion.
Huge talent, definitely sub 2 potential. Can't wait to see what she can do in the next few years!
State champion in the 300 and 1500
Anyone else get the impression that Sammy Watson and Jasmin Fray may be teammates, but don’t really like each other? I’ve never seen the, congratulate each other and the interview after the SEC 800 it looked like Fray rolled her eyes while Watson was talking.
Crazy 8s wrote:
Anyone else get the impression that Sammy Watson and Jasmin Fray may be teammates, but don’t really like each other? I’ve never seen the, congratulate each other and the interview after the SEC 800 it looked like Fray rolled her eyes while Watson was talking.
They are each other's competition, so there is that.
She a beast wrote:
It doesn't surprise me. She was huge high school talent. Anyone notice how little attention/spotlight milesplit put on her last year? They talked and talked about the girl from VA that was running 5 or 6 seconds slower but barely mentioned Sammy Watson? She was the most impressive runner across the board last year in my opinion with her 800/1000 times.
That's why you should come to LetsRun more often;) I have no idea who you're even talking about. Watson was already World Junior champ in 2016.
Pretty sure they’re talking about Rachel McArthur, she was a 2:05-2:06 runner last year.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
wejo wrote:
I wouldn't call it pure domination. She won by .12 and the time was very slow. Having said that after she won I thought "will she ever lose an NCAA 800 after this?"
Place Athlete Affiliation Time
1 Sammy WATSON FR Texas A&M 2:04.21
2 Abike EGBENIYI JR Mid. Tenn. State 2:04.33
3 Ashley TAYLOR SR Northern Arizona 2:05.01
4 Siofra CLEIRIGH BUTTNER SR Villanova 2:05.73
5 Olivia BAKER SR Stanford 2:06.18
6 Martha BISSAH SO Norfolk State 2:06.79
7 Sabrina SOUTHERLAND SR Oregon 2:06.99
8 Jazmine FRAY JR Texas A&M 2:07.34
Dude, you read that wrong! I said pure domination until she goes pro, meaning she is going to be top girl in the ncaa in the 800m.
I did say that she dominated today's race.
Top girl in the NCAA until next year maybe. Collier is a beast.
What's up with Buttner?
Two years ago she was at 2:02.
totally!! i was wondering if anyone else caught that re post race interview at SECs. it was super awkward!
notice ALSO Sammy rolls her eyes near the end of the interview at the SEC. I'm purely speculating, but Fray did all the work and Watson sat on her the entire way until the very end.
Nice run by Sammy Watson but there are some up coming girls that may give her a run for her money next year. Caitlin Collier ran 2:00.85 this year in high school. Also Cathliyn Mcintosh ran 2:05 in high school this year. Sammy is a phenomenal runner but in a years time the field is going to be completely different that's why it is so hard to repeat as NCAA champ. I would not be surprised if she wins a couple of more titles but would be less surprised if this was her last one.
stateroftheoblivious wrote:
What's up with Buttner?
Two years ago she was at 2:02.
Peaked for Penn like Nova usually does.
This was an adjustment year for Watson, next year she should be back to her 2017 form and even more consistent on. top of that. Collier is a massive talent, but there are a few reasons why I don’t think she’ll be beating Watson next year. To begin with, Watson has been a consistent 2:02-2:03 runner since she was a Sophomore in high school, and at her best was a Consistent 2:00-2:01 runner; Collier has only matched that effort a handful of times, and also only run under 2:01 once compared to Watson’s three times. Athough results may not show it, Watson is likely in very similar form to what she was in a year ago, the nature of NCAA races, with more tactics and generally larger fields makes it difficult to perform at your best, especially as a female runner.
Comparing Collier and Watson’s current seasons bests, you’ll be surprised to see, they aren’t that far off from each other, even though Watson’s season may have seemed a bit lackluster.
Sammy Watson:
400 - 54.77
800 - 2:02.2
1500- 4:21.45
Mile - 4:42.3 (converted)
Caitlin Collier:
400 - 54.14
800 - 2:00.85
1500 - 4:17.93(converted)
Mile - 4:38.48
(Hopefully this works)
Trackbot! PRs Sammy Watson
Trackbot! PRs Caitlin Collier
Trackbot! Compare Sammy Watson vs Caitlin Collier
Obviously Collier is the better athlete right now, but I’m not exactly sure what that will mean in the long run. With Collier going to Stanford and Watson rounding back into form with a new NCAA title, the tides will undoubtedly begin to shift again. One thing I can say with confidence is that the USA has a bright future ahead of it with a talented lineup.
And we’ll be able to see the first glimpse of that future at the World Junior champs this summer, where Watson and Collier could settle this debate for us once and for all.
Rotich the Rotich wrote:
This was an adjustment year for Watson, next year she should be back to her 2017 form and even more consistent on. top of that. Collier is a massive talent, but there are a few reasons why I don’t think she’ll be beating Watson next year. To begin with, Watson has been a consistent 2:02-2:03 runner since she was a Sophomore in high school, and at her best was a Consistent 2:00-2:01 runner; Collier has only matched that effort a handful of times, and also only run under 2:01 once compared to Watson’s three times. Athough results may not show it, Watson is likely in very similar form to what she was in a year ago, the nature of NCAA races, with more tactics and generally larger fields makes it difficult to perform at your best, especially as a female runner.
Comparing Collier and Watson’s current seasons bests, you’ll be surprised to see, they aren’t that far off from each other, even though Watson’s season may have seemed a bit lackluster.
Sammy Watson:
400 - 54.77
800 - 2:02.2
1500- 4:21.45
Mile - 4:42.3 (converted)
Caitlin Collier:
400 - 54.14
800 - 2:00.85
1500 - 4:17.93(converted)
Mile - 4:38.48
(Hopefully this works)
Trackbot! PRs Sammy Watson
Trackbot! PRs Caitlin Collier
Trackbot! Compare Sammy Watson vs Caitlin Collier
Obviously Collier is the better athlete right now, but I’m not exactly sure what that will mean in the long run. With Collier going to Stanford and Watson rounding back into form with a new NCAA title, the tides will undoubtedly begin to shift again. One thing I can say with confidence is that the USA has a bright future ahead of it with a talented lineup.
And we’ll be able to see the first glimpse of that future at the World Junior champs this summer, where Watson and Collier could settle this debate for us once and for all.
So Collier has faster times at EVERYTHING relevant to this discussion and is the younger of the two athletes that also is not as lean, but you want to bet on Watson. Collier has way more upside at this point.